Who would you rather be vactioning with this weekend, President Obama, who is at an exclusive golf and yacht club in Florida, or the first lady, who has taken the rest of the family skiing out West?

locomotive Feb-21-13 4:54 PM "I'm having a hard time keeping a straight face to your saying that party doesn't matter, that it's the MAN you're concerned about."

I'm having a really hard time with your disregard with history..The facts and the magnitude at how many people grieve today, tonight, tomorrow and forever because of the Man!

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Veritas, after reading numerous lefty posts on how the Republicans are entirely at fault for just about everything that's wrong with this country, I'm having a hard time keeping a straight face to your saying that party doesn't matter, that it's the MAN you're concerned about.

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billgrr: "All my questions that are posed to Lorexxxamay are answered by locomotive.

I just can't figure that out."

I suppose this deflection of yours is supposed to wipe out my question about your use of two words to describe lorexxx's deflections.

"shuck and jive"

Are those two words NOT objectionable anymore, because you used them, billgrrr?

And I'd even welcome an answer from namexxx right about now, as long as my question about the two words gets answered.

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Feb-20-13 8:48 PM billgarrgetsit

Yes, this was funny. :-)

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Crack me up BG...I'm sure lorexxx will have the Amabo verse somewhere from 1 Corinthians 13.

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locomotive Feb-20-13 2:56 PM "Veritas, you can't say that the Democrat party did not use a previous Republican presidency to further the ends of their own campaigns in our most recent elections."

Absolutely...Every means available to them without prejudice....

Again, I don't what party affiliation, race, gender, income and or D, all the above has anything to do with someone ordering troops into battle under false and vindictive circumstances knowing thousands would die....Hundreds of thousands!!!

Question: Who was responsible for all the soldiers deaths at the Red Sea...Moses, The Pharoah, the soldiers or God?

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Oh, and I forgot. What documentaries you watch as well. Thanks for that, Veritas.

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"....and what pray tell will the Republicans be remembered for?"

billgrr, it depends on who you talk to and what you read, right? The same answer applies when asking "....and what pray tell will the Democrats be remembered for?"

Pretty simple.

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billgrr says: "Instead of doing your usual shuck and jive deflections..."

I reply: "billgrr, I thought these words were off-limits. They aren't now, because you're using them?"

Then billgrr says: "You are lorexxamay now?"

So I have to be lorexxx...amaybe...whatsit...whozat in order to comment on the words billgrr uses to describe "deflections?"

Aren't the words supposed to be objectionable when used?

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Veritas, you can't say that the Democrat party did not use a previous Republican presidency to further the ends of their own campaigns in our most recent elections.

I heard a gazillion times how everything has been Bush's fault for years, and how in 2008, if McCain was elected, and how in 2012, if Romney was elected, both men would continue Bush's policies, in spite of each man's individual campaign platforms in both elections.

Not the party? Maybe for some, but for others, it is the forest, the trees, the kit and kaboodle.

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locomotive Feb-20-13 10:51 AM "Why does it appear that "presidential responsibility" starts with Republican presidents and ends before Democrat presidents?"

"Wait, I guess someone mentioned LBJ"

Wait a minute loco...I could give a rats behind which party the individual was that manipulated the facts and sent soldiers to their deaths for unjustified reasons and this is what history will remember.. The MAN...Not the party!!!

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"Instead of doing your usual shuck and jive deflections..."

billgrr, I thought these words were off-limits. They aren't now, because you're using them?

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The only documentary I saw a bit of recently was the PBS one on Reagan. Interesting it was. However, my point, about every president being second-guessed and having his motivations, actions and decisions gone over with a fine-tooth comb by friend and foe alike after he's out of office, remains the same.

Not a one of them has been pure and clean as the wind-driven snow.

Also, to say that Clinton's legacy is only tarnished by escapades in the Oval Office is a narrow interpretation of his presidency, to say the least. There have been others to say more about Pres. Clinton. They can be referred to as desired.

It is interesting that many lefties on here are very willing to promote responsibility in presidents. Why does it appear that "presidential responsibility" starts with Republican presidents and ends before Democrat presidents?

Wait, I guess someone mentioned LBJ. (My bad on that one.)

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locomotive Feb-19-13 2:47 PM "Is there another source confirming the book's statements?"

Guess you missed the documentary last night loco....The credibility of all those who gave statements and personal accounts are chilling to say the least... You can try to spin this any way you want....at the end of the day and at the conclusion of history GW is responsible for starting a war under false pretenses just as LBJ did in 1964... Some of you want to compare sex in the Whitehouse and the tradegy of the ambassador/aides in Libya to countless deaths and destruction... Shame on you!

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Oh, I've got it now. billgrr thinks lorexxx's posts are based in imagination and lies (his take), so he's going to show lorexxx & all of us exactly how imagining and lying are to be done properly.

Is that the game now?

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billgrr's imagination rules.

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lorexxx, why feed the bears?

It doesn't matter what anyone else says about any subject. Another poster had it right about billgrr. He's "right" and the rest of us "wanna be" but that's only in his eyes. So don't worry...be happy!

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Egregiously salivating? All because of "Hubris?"

Is there another source confirming the book's statements? Or is that one book enough?

What president's decisions have completely passed muster, after examining his "motives" years later?

Which president's record has remained free from the second-guessers' conclusions, in the years after his term in office?

Short answer: none.

And newsflash: all U.S. presidents thus far have been human, and not infallible. I'd expect "stuff" to come up in any president's biography because of that fact. Even future biographies--of the next Republican president, in case you're thinking of someone else. :-)

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Typically one might have to wait 20 to 50 years for transcripts/info to come out on executive decison making involving decisions why an act of war was declared...In GW's case the motives were so egregiously they will surface this year..People are distancing themselves.

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Understanding how your mind works lorexxx...One post at a time.

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Speaking of Dick Cheney & GW....

Man, you need to read the book Hubris and view the documentary on the manufactered war in Iraq.. Every credible individual from both sides of the house, intelligence,scientists,diplomats etc.,etc. are finally telling all about the behind the scenes covert operation to take down Saddam at any and all costs....

Over 4000 US Troop lives, 100,000 Iraqi's..3 Trillion....

I suspect GW will be the first US President being brought up on war crimes in this countries history.

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I can't afford a vacation to those two locales either, so where's the "N/A" option?

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Looks like over 60 percent would like to have a good cry and beer with boehner.

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My comment on the President and Africa has no intended racial divisions, I am so not prejudice that I always forget that some people are. There was a good interview with Bill Gates on TV today is where that thought came from.

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I can bet Boehnor is out golfing and getting his tan!

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