loco...sorry I was a bit brass...I agree with the need for accountibility which in turn should promote responsibility...This is a very complex issue and could be misconstrued as infringing within the civil liberties mentality...I see it as having the potential to make the most out of a single stone throw and it's worth discussing at a time when America needs to hear about itself.
Veritas, I was sarcastic in that I said "citizen" instead of "child." It wasn't a direct quote. It was the principle.
Many posts here for this poll had to do with responsibility and accountability for individuals who receive assistance. Other posts were about how a drug test would humiliate those who receive assistance.
I agree with responsibility and accountability, because as a wage earner, I have to be responsible and accountable.
Very clever loco...Defense with offensive offense."The first time" is the beginning...."washing your hands" is the end. No where can I find "It takes a village to raise a citizen"..
If I were to assume responsibility is the pretext I would agree. If the arrow was singular then I would say it's author missed in vain.
cont.. "Apparently Hillary's belief in this philosophy has been strengthened in the past 10 years, because her new commentary reinforces her original policy prescriptions with a decade of additional evidence.
"On the left side of the political spectrum, one might view that philosophy as the underlying value of a compassionate society which is appropriately focused on child-rearing as its core focus. On the right side of the political spectrum, one might view that philosophy as a rationale for a government takeover of anything related to child-rearing, which can be expansively defined as anything at all. In either case, Hillary's philosophy is out in the open for public inspection -- she has not hidden her beliefs since at least 1996."
cont.. "...along with a new set of end-notes commenting on her updated thoughts on the original text. Those 2006 additions were written with her presidential run in mind, and constitute the bulk of our excerpts. (The 2006 additions are cited as roman-numeral pages for the introduction, and page numbers above 299 for the end-notes).
"The theme of Hillary's book (and its title) is that children are raised not just by their parents, but also by all of the other people in the society around them. Therefore, according to Hillary, all the components of that society -- the schools and the government, but the businesses too -- have an obligation to consider their impact on children that they affect."
Veritas: "And, "It takes a village to raise a citizen" is full of sarcastic irony embraced by history too painful to remember."
The first person I heard using this phrase, in fact, selling a book with the phrase as its title, was Hillary Clinton, way back in 1996.
So it's all right for Hillary to say it, numerous times over the years, but not for me to say it once, without the hammers coming down?
Like Veritas says, I just don't get it.
I found a review of Mrs. Clinton's 2006 edition of her book "It Takes A Village" at ontheissues . org...
"This book is Hillary's classic -- not so much a political book as a definition of her view of the world. It was written in 1996, well before she was considering running for the presidency. Hence it does not have much in the way of policy prescriptions. However, Hillary added an introduction in December 2006, for the "10th Anniversary Edition," along with a new set of end-notes commenting on her upd
If you mean the type of federal help the farmers get I imagine if you are the top producer of many of the major food items, like North Dakota is, you will receive more based upon percentage. But if you are talking about all the problems we have with gravity causing water to flow downhill and our engineers not being able to get a firm grip on that natural phenomenon, I think we probably do get more than most states per capita.
This pervasive attitude coming from posters like Missy1 & lorexxx about ND being flush and an example to the rest of America couldn't be more wrong...And, "It takes a village to raise a citizen" is full of sarcastic irony embraced by history too painful to remember. The list of Federal Aid received by this state over the last 60 years is too long to mention but how quick we forget the contributions made by others so that the Union grew strong.....So with the unique cultural and economic diversity we called ourselves United and humbled ourselves with the gifts we received. ND did not build "That" without the help from others..simple as "that".
Quite frankly, the amount of taxes I pay to the State of North Dakota and the Federal Gov. paid for my roads and interstates. And every outdoor potty from Dickinson to Fargo. Pretty aren't they. My town doesn't have a Potty. And Schools, Teachers, and every person that Works for the Public Assistance. And they don't care if you have a good year in business or a bad year. Pay your estimates and bad years sometimes you have to get a loan. Start Your Own Business, be happy.
Actually! If you've driven on a highway, gone to a public school, mailed a letter, eaten corn, or done most any number of things... indeed you have been the recipient of government assistance. Anyone who has experienced a tax break or deduction (basically, anyone who has ever paid taxes) has essentially gotten a subsidy of some sort as well.
As I stated before..the short answer is Yes! (Question specific)
I commend the ND Legislature for bringing up this subject in a predominantly white state (89% caucasion) in hopes it brings a better understanding that poverty knows no bounds. LBJ was deeply moved by the suffering of women, children and the elderly in his home state of Texas in the early 1960's...The total population of Texas in 1960 was 9,579,677 with 8,374,831 being white. This is what inspired "The War on Poverty" and for the next 40 years there have been as many success stories as there have been failures... Personally, I believe the biggest failure is not understanding that poverty is a human condition and cannot ALWAYS be resolved by ones self nor can it be solved by the government. Fast forward to NOW....and it's more misunderstood than it was 40 years ago.
Doesn't help that the question for this poll ask's..."for certain recipients of public assistance" and so it begins.. the finger pointin
locomotive
Well, if nothing else, the one proposing this requirement wanted a discussion to be had about it, and he certainly is getting that.
Thanks, Veritas, and have a great weekend
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loco...sorry I was a bit brass...I agree with the need for accountibility which in turn should promote responsibility...This is a very complex issue and could be misconstrued as infringing within the civil liberties mentality...I see it as having the potential to make the most out of a single stone throw and it's worth discussing at a time when America needs to hear about itself.
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locomotive
Veritas, I was sarcastic in that I said "citizen" instead of "child." It wasn't a direct quote. It was the principle.
Many posts here for this poll had to do with responsibility and accountability for individuals who receive assistance. Other posts were about how a drug test would humiliate those who receive assistance.
I agree with responsibility and accountability, because as a wage earner, I have to be responsible and accountable.
It seemed simple in the beginning....
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Very clever loco...Defense with offensive offense."The first time" is the beginning...."washing your hands" is the end. No where can I find "It takes a village to raise a citizen"..
If I were to assume responsibility is the pretext I would agree. If the arrow was singular then I would say it's author missed in vain.
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locomotive
Now, as namexxx has rendered me "Filth"y, I wash my hands of the phrase.
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locomotive
cont.. "Apparently Hillary's belief in this philosophy has been strengthened in the past 10 years, because her new commentary reinforces her original policy prescriptions with a decade of additional evidence.
"On the left side of the political spectrum, one might view that philosophy as the underlying value of a compassionate society which is appropriately focused on child-rearing as its core focus. On the right side of the political spectrum, one might view that philosophy as a rationale for a government takeover of anything related to child-rearing, which can be expansively defined as anything at all. In either case, Hillary's philosophy is out in the open for public inspection -- she has not hidden her beliefs since at least 1996."
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locomotive
cont.. "...along with a new set of end-notes commenting on her updated thoughts on the original text. Those 2006 additions were written with her presidential run in mind, and constitute the bulk of our excerpts. (The 2006 additions are cited as roman-numeral pages for the introduction, and page numbers above 299 for the end-notes).
"The theme of Hillary's book (and its title) is that children are raised not just by their parents, but also by all of the other people in the society around them. Therefore, according to Hillary, all the components of that society -- the schools and the government, but the businesses too -- have an obligation to consider their impact on children that they affect."
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locomotive
Veritas: "And, "It takes a village to raise a citizen" is full of sarcastic irony embraced by history too painful to remember."
The first person I heard using this phrase, in fact, selling a book with the phrase as its title, was Hillary Clinton, way back in 1996.
So it's all right for Hillary to say it, numerous times over the years, but not for me to say it once, without the hammers coming down?
Like Veritas says, I just don't get it.
I found a review of Mrs. Clinton's 2006 edition of her book "It Takes A Village" at ontheissues . org...
"This book is Hillary's classic -- not so much a political book as a definition of her view of the world. It was written in 1996, well before she was considering running for the presidency. Hence it does not have much in the way of policy prescriptions. However, Hillary added an introduction in December 2006, for the "10th Anniversary Edition," along with a new set of end-notes commenting on her upd
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namexxx
This is an entire state of takers. Every last one of you should be drug tested.
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namexxx
Bill Garr points out that Federal tax dollars make up fully a third of North Dakota's budget.
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EarlyBird
If you mean the type of federal help the farmers get I imagine if you are the top producer of many of the major food items, like North Dakota is, you will receive more based upon percentage. But if you are talking about all the problems we have with gravity causing water to flow downhill and our engineers not being able to get a firm grip on that natural phenomenon, I think we probably do get more than most states per capita.
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EarlyBird
Bill you seem to know about this, where do I sign up for the extra money you say we are all getting. I'm not getting mine.
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VERITAS
This pervasive attitude coming from posters like Missy1 & lorexxx about ND being flush and an example to the rest of America couldn't be more wrong...And, "It takes a village to raise a citizen" is full of sarcastic irony embraced by history too painful to remember. The list of Federal Aid received by this state over the last 60 years is too long to mention but how quick we forget the contributions made by others so that the Union grew strong.....So with the unique cultural and economic diversity we called ourselves United and humbled ourselves with the gifts we received. ND did not build "That" without the help from others..simple as "that".
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locomotive
namexxx: "Attempting to couch your racism and bigotry behind a mask of patriotism is profane."
Yes, this is what was said. And, like I said, what are you ranting about, namexxx?
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locomotive
What are you ranting about, namexxx?
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namexxx
Is that what they say, Jack? Please, please. Post some more opinions in your many diverse voices.
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namexxx
Attempting to couch your racism and bigotry behind a mask of patriotism is profane.
What an utter disgrace you people are to the memory of those who made this country great.
Filth.
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locomotive
You know what they say...
It takes a village to raise a citizen.
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Missy1
By the way Veritas, I grow my own Fresh Corn.
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Missy1
Quite frankly, the amount of taxes I pay to the State of North Dakota and the Federal Gov. paid for my roads and interstates. And every outdoor potty from Dickinson to Fargo. Pretty aren't they. My town doesn't have a Potty. And Schools, Teachers, and every person that Works for the Public Assistance. And they don't care if you have a good year in business or a bad year. Pay your estimates and bad years sometimes you have to get a loan. Start Your Own Business, be happy.
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TheDiogenist
Actually! If you've driven on a highway, gone to a public school, mailed a letter, eaten corn, or done most any number of things... indeed you have been the recipient of government assistance. Anyone who has experienced a tax break or deduction (basically, anyone who has ever paid taxes) has essentially gotten a subsidy of some sort as well.
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VERITAS
You're funny Missy...I suppose you built the roads you drive on.
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Missy1
Veritas, I haven't. Unless your talking unemployment, I paid into for 2 weeks, until I got another job.
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VERITAS
as we have all be recipients of government assistance at some point!
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As I stated before..the short answer is Yes! (Question specific)
I commend the ND Legislature for bringing up this subject in a predominantly white state (89% caucasion) in hopes it brings a better understanding that poverty knows no bounds. LBJ was deeply moved by the suffering of women, children and the elderly in his home state of Texas in the early 1960's...The total population of Texas in 1960 was 9,579,677 with 8,374,831 being white. This is what inspired "The War on Poverty" and for the next 40 years there have been as many success stories as there have been failures... Personally, I believe the biggest failure is not understanding that poverty is a human condition and cannot ALWAYS be resolved by ones self nor can it be solved by the government. Fast forward to NOW....and it's more misunderstood than it was 40 years ago.
Doesn't help that the question for this poll ask's..."for certain recipients of public assistance" and so it begins.. the finger pointin
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