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State should help the poor

September 8, 2013

Cody Stanley, Grand Forks Jesus said to help the needy. We have many poor folks in North Dakota—over 80,000 people in our own state live below the poverty line. Luckily, with a $1....

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locomotive

Sep-15-13 3:26 PM

willgrr, I've read about that low deficit figure. I've also heard that if the gov't quits investing in the stock market, things will really break loose.

What I'd like to see happen is NO deficit spending, like making a budget and then not spending more than is taken in.

Congrats to all that were in office when this lower deficit spending happened. Sure, it's good news, but it's transitory. It'd be best if deficit spending were eliminated altogether by the gov't spending within its means, as citizens are expected to do.

Here's a question: is gov't too big to fail?

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locomotive

Sep-14-13 3:17 PM

Idle liberal speculation...

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locomotive

Sep-13-13 11:53 PM

It's only called "obstructionist" when Republicans do it to Democrats.

The group on PBSNewshour were doing ALL the talking points tonite...

The Tea Party is taking over the GOP

They just don't get how things work in DC

Why oh why can't they just get along

Y'know, I've heard all the points before, right here on good ol' MDN.

Get a new script, people.

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locomotive

Sep-13-13 11:41 PM

"This flies in the face of Republicans and right wing politics. Helping the poor was Jesus' message. Why do they hate Jesus so?"

Referencing Jesus is easy. Referencing Jesus correctly is not as easy.

One place where Jesus talked about the poor is Matthew 26:6-13. A woman came and anointed Jesus' head with ointment. His disciples were indignant and said the ointment could have been sold for much, and the money given to the poor.

"When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me.

"For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.

"For in that she hath poured this ointment on my body, she did it for my burial."

Poverty still exists in this world. If one believes in gov't goodness, then gov'ts should help the poor. But I don't believe that gov't always goes about "doing good" like Jesus did.

Do I hate gov't so? No, I just don't love gov't so.

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Legend

Sep-13-13 10:35 PM

The pres. has had a jobs bill for years but the house will not pass it. The money--the coffers are improving and the fed may get all investment back through taxes on the incomes from the contractors and workers who rebuild the infrastructure and the econ. stir the projects would cause. Costs more to wait till bridges fall like I35 in Minn. Minn. Some of the bombs we drop are $100K ea. Bread not bombs.

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Legend

Sep-13-13 6:56 PM

Our roads, bridges etc. need work and only the Fed. will fix those. The private sector is the best employer but they are not keeping up and have invested too much in overseas labor. A jobs program could stir the entire economy and result in more private sector hiring. So why not a temp. jobs program? When a bridge falls and your business is on the far side--you might realize you didn't build it yourself. I listen to fox (bengazi) talk too but the brainwashing didn't work. Have you seen how many positions Rand Paul has had on Syria--left, right, north, south, east, west--oofta--and he criticised our president at every turn--what to believe? Bengazi was bigger to FOX than Iraq. That is diabolical.

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locomotive

Sep-13-13 4:44 PM

Says billgitmo, the slammin' king.

Probably says all billgitmo's friends too.

What else is new?

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locomotive

Sep-13-13 3:51 PM

billgitmo, don't play stupid. That'd be twice in one day. Again.

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locomotive

Sep-13-13 12:54 PM

billgitmo's outta line. Again. Really...

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locomotive

Sep-13-13 9:31 AM

"uppityness"

Taking liberties or assuming airs beyond one's station; presumptuous

And that's our Vocabulary Minute for today...

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locomotive

Sep-13-13 9:28 AM

"and yet the only ones prosecuted are Republicans."

Why is that, willgrr?

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locomotive

Sep-13-13 9:21 AM

cont...

We all said "doesn't really want a job then."

Is ANY job supposed to last forever? If company owners decide to fold, those jobs will end. Then it's time to try for another. Or go into business for oneself. (Tons of people are doing that here in the Bakken.)

If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.

The phrase is not supposed to be...

If at first "they" don't succeed for you, whine, whine again.

I have compassion for people who are facing hard times and need a hand up. I don't have compassion for people who make the decision not to work and want a hand out.

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locomotive

Sep-13-13 9:17 AM

"Those who find any form of relief so disgusting should be first to try anything to put the unemployed to work--but they are the last. They are also last to pay a decent wage, leave a tip or offer a helping hand."

Legend, I think "relief" to people who fall on hard times is appropriate, but "relief" should never be a way of life.

As far as being the "first to try anything to put the unemployed to work," that is a relative statement. Are people supposed to wait around for somebody to offer them a job? Are people supposed to wait for the government to ensure their employment?

Or are people supposed to try for themselves to get a job, no matter the job, no matter the pay, until another job can be procured? Is it just a rumor that some people will not apply for work at Walmart, for example, because they consider that work "beneath" them?

I had a family member refuse to apply at McD's for that reason. We all said "doesn't r

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Legend

Sep-13-13 12:34 AM

Those who find any form of relief so disgusting should be first to try anything to put the unemployed to work--but they are the last. They are also last to pay a decent wage, leave a tip or offer a helping hand. The yearn for a class system where the commoners never rise. Where they are all power and law. In the history of the world, countries that do not allow all classes to rise to any level; are in continual turmoil and unrest. To control their underlings they abolish rights such as speach, guns, religion and education. Our ancestors came from that and gave many lives to live in a country where rights were maximized and the poorest child can become president. 1 person 1 vote sickens many of the upity rich because it threatens their way of life. They are concerned about others who do not love money. Did you detect any upityness in the spokespeople for BP after the big oil leak? Remember "little shrimpers"?

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locomotive

Sep-12-13 9:49 PM

"No party ties, just rich pigs."

Legend, doesn't it make a difference how your "rich pigs" vote? Do they vote to assure themselves of more "riches?" Which party allows that to happen?

I'm also sensing some class envy in your posts. If "rich pigs" earn their money legally, then it's their right to keep it or spend it or invest it or contribute it or whatever. Just like I do with the money I earn: I keep it or spend it or invest it or contribute it or whatever.

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Legend

Sep-12-13 9:04 PM

Loco: They are just rich with a*****for money and a love for only themselves. There were a room full of them when Romney gave his chinese women factory worker speach. No party ties, just rich pigs. Our house of reps will take the hit for these two terms; not the pres. He will be rated "good". If the house would approve a jobs bill he would be "great" and that is why they won't. It is because of Bush and Iraq that our Pres. gets extra favor; without those he would be mediocre. His election proved we are open-minded and not all haters. It was good for the country. It is comforting to realize all minority children now know we would elect a minority and most of us are patriot enough to respect him. I am not in love with minorities--just God and country.

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locomotive

Sep-12-13 10:33 AM

angeR, we need MDN to invest in some kind of technology that will register sarcastic comments in a different color. How about ruby red?

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locomotive

Sep-12-13 10:31 AM

centerish, I'm almost positive that angeR was posting in sarcasm. Though I could be wrong. It's happened before...

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angeR69

Sep-12-13 10:30 AM

Center, I've said all I need to say in this thread. Let's just say Legend managed to do in one post what you couldn't do in half a dozen: shut me up.

There gets to a point, when you are conversing with irrational people that words no longer serve a purpose. I am still in awe. So much ignorance, so little time to address it.

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locomotive

Sep-12-13 10:17 AM

"The people who dodge the big taxes have been building huge piles of money--even during this recession."

Legend, tell me the political ideology of these people. Are they ALL Republicans? Independents? Democrats? Or a mixture of each?

If one is preaching to the choir, one hopes when church is over that the choir members will do what's been said and not forget it as soon as they're out of the building.

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centerfield

Sep-12-13 10:16 AM

A great post from anger: "Wow Legend. You are amazing." It is about time that you start to recognize people who post with facts and applaud their efforts. You should try to emulate that type of posting.

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angeR69

Sep-12-13 12:55 AM

Wow Legend. You are amazing.

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Legend

Sep-11-13 10:37 PM

BDNGI: The high unemployment from 2008 collapse (Bush) resulted in automatic increases in food stamps, welfare etc. SS has a program where they give Aid to Dependent Children (ADC) when the breadwinner dies with dependent children. Do you think the Iraq war lost us many breadwinners? They are the children of veterans not freeloaders. Quick fix to much of it is the jobs program the right is fighting it every day. When the fed puts out money such as a jobs program--they may get all of it back because money turns several times in the economy and is taxed on most of those turns but not (until Obama) overseas accounts or investments where those Chinese women live at their factory like chickens in a pen. The people who dodge the big taxes have been building huge piles of money--even during this recession. When you follow the money--it is not ADC kids or the unemployed who are the problem. $3.69 gas during a recession is revolutionary in economics.

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angeR69

Sep-11-13 10:12 PM

I'm pretty sure I have a firm grasp on the meaning of pity. How about charity? Do you know what that is? I can tell you what its not - reaching into your neighbors' pockets to fulfill your need to appear magnanimous.

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centerfield

Sep-11-13 2:50 PM

You are too funny, anger. If anything, it is an indictment of the religious right and those who profess Christianity. Maybe you don't fall into either of those two. But, short sightedness seems to be your long suit. Pity? Do you even know what that entails? Obviously not.

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