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Baucus's shocking comment

April 23, 2013

It was certainly a bit shocking last week to hear Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., describe the ongoing implementation of the nation’s new health care bill as a “train wreck....

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Curly1

Apr-23-13 4:45 AM

I certainly would like to see the bill at the very least re-written to work out some of the kinks. There were so many ways we could have improved the system we had. Alas, the fools in Washington on both sides of the isle and the leader at the top failed to write anything that will work for the American people. We will just jump from the frying pan into the fire and that will not be a cool place to be. Pardon the pun.

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Worldview

Apr-23-13 6:19 AM

Actually we are jumping from the fire into the frying pan. Still not a pretty picture, but an improvement.

Look lets face it. People on the low end of wages cannot afford 1500 dollars a month for family medical.

The ACA was a start but not enough. We are the only developed country that does not provide basic healthcare, yet we are the richest!

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billldoesntgetit

Apr-23-13 8:29 AM

the fools in Washington on both sides of the isle and the leader at the top failed to write anything that will work for the American people.

Lets remember EVERYONE the Republicans were shut out of this bill. This is a 100% planned and implemented DEmocrat plan.

And yes it is a train wreck and yes Baucus is now trying to make amends because he is up for reelection. Why does he have even one bit of concern now.. He has health insurance..he doesn't have to jump thru the hoops to get it, its paid for by the taxpayer and he now thinks we should feel sorry for him and vote him in again.. He can take a flying leap..

Nice try Baucus but you are finished..

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billldoesntgetit

Apr-23-13 8:29 AM

yet we are the richest! Not for long..

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muleskinner

Apr-23-13 8:33 AM

Politicians never get it until after the fact and it becomes too late. Nothing new there. Look at Heidi, she is more clueless than Rick Berg.

Doesn't matter if it's the fire or the frying pan, a lot of people will not be able to afford health insurance.

Train wreck it is, but the real impact won't be felt until the time comes.

All it is is a mandated subsidy for health insurance providers and nothing else. Nothing to do with your health, just money. Your money.

You will be forced to pay.

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EarlyBird

Apr-23-13 8:59 AM

Our health insurance should not be based on lobbyists and the results of their actions.

I agree we are not being informed in real time to be able to even begin to conceive the results of the mandatory health care plans. Somebody needs to stop this run away train before it hits the end of the tracks.

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rajiihammr

Apr-23-13 9:51 AM

Baucus was expressing dissatisfaction at the implementation of the law not the law itself. But let's see...how many times has the Republican house voted to repeal the law? And it's official policy of the Republicans to defund the law. They haven't helped implement this law, but of course they see it as their patriotic duty to preserve an unworkable system that costs too much and enriches health care providers and insurance companies.

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locomotive

Apr-23-13 10:15 AM

Perhaps your take is right, raj, that Baucus has a problem with the law's implementation thus far and not the law itself.

But with that take, people end up conveniently blaming Republicans again for the problems with ACA.

billdoesnt had this part right: Republicans were shut out of the ACA vote, because Democrats had the majority and they were going to push it through, period.

If the ACA is so popular, well-received, and desirable, Democrats shouldn't have any problem working with Republicans to get this funded and up & running.

Frankly, I'll consider it the Democrats' fault if they fail.

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billldoesntgetit

Apr-23-13 10:45 AM

Well guys its like this.. The Democrats bought into this hook line and sinker knowing FULLY WELL that they did not have the support of the Republicans.. In knowing that as they SHOULD REALIZE it is now their baby to implement.. So quit ******** about the Republicans not doing their part. ' This is a Democrat plan from the git go.. Suckitupboys and take ownership!!Goes for the Sequestration too. Obama held the veto pen but put it down and used the "I approve this message pen"

Seems Obama chickens are coming home to roost!@!!!!!!!

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Missy1

Apr-23-13 10:59 AM

Since when can Obama run for a third term? I am sure he can get all his damage done in 2 terms. He doesn't need a 3rd one. I am waiting for the 2nd term to end, and watching the door hit him in the back end.

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locomotive

Apr-23-13 12:29 PM

Oh, I get it. willgrr thinks Baucus is a DINO - Democrat In Name Only.

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billldoesntgetit

Apr-23-13 6:13 PM

Yes that's the way to go old wilygarr.. If you don't like what he is doing then re brand him to another party.. You and slickwilly What a bunch of sickos...

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rajiihammr

Apr-23-13 7:07 PM

Back from work

Loco---There is no way in heck the Republicans are going to help fund the ACA. I don't know how opponents can say Republicans were locked out of it's creation, were they not in the committees that created the bill? If you don't have the votes to influence a bill or your ideas run counter to the majority in the committee, then your influence is lessened. It's not a lock out, it's law creation. There have been poll after poll that find people hating the law, but liking it's features, I don't know how else to characterise that than wilful ignorance. My Rx, wait and see. One thing I forecasting: bankruptcies brought on by astronomical medical bills...gone.

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Missy1

Apr-23-13 8:27 PM

leftwing, Please draw the picture. I can read and talk to alot of doctor's. They don't like this bill, and since I pay my very own health care, at 1300.00 per month, how much more is this to cost me? Start Drawing. At least I don't have to pay for some employee, anymore.

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Missy1

Apr-23-13 8:32 PM

rajii, I predict, you will be dead before Bankruptcy gets you. Then they get their estate tax.

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rajiihammr

Apr-23-13 10:25 PM

Missy--- My plan is to spend my millions so the estate tax won't hit too hard.

Also Missy, I'm guessing from the amount you are paying per month that you are in an age where they hit us pretty hard. I'm also guessing that you will get a better policy and pay around $230/mo. with the ACA. Of course you can decline the tax credit, a meaningless gesture, and spend your way to bankruptcy... I know a guy who might be able to help you.

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Missy1

Apr-23-13 10:34 PM

Obama may have maxed out his welcome. And with my Health care, guessing does not work. So if your friend is guessing, do not need his advice. I want the truth. Hard to come by these days.

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Missy1

Apr-23-13 10:46 PM

By the way, on a dinosaur plan. 100.00 deductable. 500.00 Major. Imagine that. Since the 1970's.

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rajiihammr

Apr-23-13 10:51 PM

OK no more guessing. If you make $40k you get $5800 tax credit Missy. If make 60000k you get nuttn'. And quit complaining about your contribution to the. "Best healthcare system in the world" that nobody copies.

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Missy1

Apr-23-13 10:55 PM

Also I guess my rates raise due to the fact, people do not pay their very own bills. Try be responsible for once. Well their parents were not, why should their children. You learn by example, so many are losers.

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Missy1

Apr-23-13 11:00 PM

rajii. Where is that exact info. Please tell me. You sound so sure sure of yourself.

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rajiihammr

Apr-23-13 11:07 PM

Missy I have trouble believing those figures. I was bumped from numbers like that. The system doesn't like those policies. Either you are in ill health and need and use a policy that good, or you are a darn fool.

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billldoesntgetit

Apr-23-13 11:08 PM

Who wrote Obamacare? Of course, no one person authored the entire lengthy statute but if one person could be singled out as playing a role greater than any other person that would have to be Liz Fowler.

At least that is what Senator Max Baucus,from whose committee the bill arose, said in the following quote:

“I wish to single out one person, and that one person is sitting next to me. Her name is Liz Fowler. Liz Fowler is my chief health counsel. Liz Fowler has put my health care team together. Liz Fowler worked for me many years ago, left for the private sector, and then came back when she realized she could be there at the creation of health care reform because she wanted that to be, in a certain sense, her profession lifetime goal. She put together the White Paper last November–2008–the 87-page document which became the basis, the foundation, the blueprint from which almost all health care law came"

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billldoesntgetit

Apr-23-13 11:09 PM

No wonder Baucus has got his shorts in a wad.. His chances of getting reelected are slim to none I suspect..

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billldoesntgetit

Apr-23-13 11:11 PM

Elizabeth Fowler worked with Mr. Baucus previously and then became a VP with Well Point and then back to Baucus to play the major role in writing Obamacare and now has left government "service" to have a VP job at Johnson and Johnson. That's right ,a former VP of the largest health care insurer,helped write the bill that made almost everyone buy health insurance and if they could not afford it a government subsidy would help them buy insurance.

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