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Abortion discussion

April 21, 2013

Dr. Jeremiah Glosenger, Minot Dr. Cain recently wrote a letter designed to instill some unfounded as well as outright false fears in an effort to have people opposed the Personhood bill (SB 2303)....

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centerfield

Apr-21-13 10:58 AM

Hey doc, looks like you spent too much time in your area of research which was anesthesia in dentistry. You are supposed to give the laughing gas to patients instead of yourself.

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billldoesntgetit

Apr-21-13 2:25 PM

icart ANY person with a brain can read the bill and see it does not limit the physicians choices when deciding what is best for the women and child..

Dr Cain should be cained... for lying about whats in the bill. Looks as tho Kristine was just trying to pad her pocketbook..

To bad so sad....

If she cannot read and understand then how can one trust she learned anything in medicaL school?

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angeR69

Apr-21-13 6:24 PM

Wow, the nads on that dentist, trying to pass himself off as some kind of real medical professional. I'm certainly glad we had you two superstars here to point that out. Otherwise, I probably never would have gone back to check his name for a title.

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locomotive

Apr-21-13 8:38 PM

icart again displays her disdain for any viewpoint other than her own, especially if provided by a male.

You don't have to be a medical expert to read and understand the signed legislation. There are links to all that Gov. Dalrymple has signed thus far available on the state's legiscan service.

Dr. Glosenger has his facts straight. Flame away, icart.

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angeR69

Apr-22-13 12:47 AM

Well, at least "Doctor" Glosenger didn't try to pass himself off as a woman. Or did he? Now that I think about it, he did not specifically out himself as a male. All we had to go by was his first name, and we all know how misleading names can be. IS THERE ANY LIMIT TO HIS DECEPTION ???

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angeR69

Apr-22-13 12:53 AM

Loco, imagine if we were all held to this standard for dissenting speech.

Would that mean that gun control advocates would have to be gunsmiths?

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icart68

Apr-22-13 8:33 AM

Oh yeah, that's right...you don't have to be an OB/GYN to understand the legislation, especially with this legislation, they just "Play" one, in all of their infinite wisdom!! Especially with the constitution too, they are ALL quite knowledgable in that area also!!

But wait...didn't a judge just rule that the 2011 legislation against abortion as UNCONSITUTIONAL!! Sure glad all you re-pubic "Pro-lifers" are for WASTING OUR STATES MONEYS on court costs!!! And where are all those "outside interest" groups who were ALL about personhood...Yup, just as expected....FLOWN THE COOP!!

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EarlyBird

Apr-22-13 8:44 AM

Thank you for your opinion, the peat and repeat crowd on here will make you wish you hadn't tried to help so just ignore their disdainful responses. Most on here are internet bullies and are the reason we have very few people who participate in these discussions. Don't waste your time trying to defend yourself it just gives them a better grip to try to pull you down. I hope you share your opinion more on here.

All Dr's take an oath to help who they can in whatever ways they are allowed to. All open minded people know Dr's do their best for us and have to live with success and failure everyday.

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icart68

Apr-22-13 11:07 AM

For all you people who think these laws are actually going to come to fruition....East Central Judicial District Judge Wickham Corwin stated that, “I remain convinced that a woman’s reproductive rights must be protected under the state constitution and must be recognized as fundamental,”

He also stated, “These efforts to keep North Dakota women from the best available medical care and deny them their right to make their own decisions about their pregnancies, their families, and their futures are not only disingenuous, but wholly unconstitutional.”

Welcome to the world of the US CONSITITUTION!!! ...guess what, there's more to it than just the 2nd amendment!!!!

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EarlyBird

Apr-22-13 11:27 AM

"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." TR

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locomotive

Apr-22-13 12:01 PM

You're right, angeR. The left makes this a "woman's right" issue when it's much more than that.

The Roe v. Wade decision was based on an "implied right to privacy" with which a majority of the Supreme Court justices agreed at the time. Roe v. Wade also decided that a fetus had only the "potential of life" and thus, had no constitutional rights of its own.

Now how do Supreme Court Justices possess vast medical knowledge about the practice of abortion, other than what they can garner from hearing expert medical testimony or reading prior case information about the issue?

Perhaps the SCOTUS should've been excluded from this issue, because after all, they were just lawyers, weren't they, and not doctors?

It's a convoluted world we live in, angeR, and we'll just have to carry on with our right to free speech in defending the unborn.

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locomotive

Apr-22-13 12:02 PM

willgrr, your American Taliban comment is in such poor taste, I'll be ashamed for you.

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subman

Apr-22-13 1:31 PM

Boy... sure are a bunch of blood thirsty wagging their tongues on this one... the killing of the unborn is murder pure and simple and those who support it or endore or promote it are acessories to it.... one day we all will answer for our actions.... I wouldn't want to be in your shoes...

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icart68

Apr-22-13 2:12 PM

so subman... "those who support it or endore or promote it are acessories to it.... one day we all will answer for our actions.... I wouldn't want to be in your shoes..."

You must be all for gun control then,huh??

Your words...not mine!!!

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subman

Apr-22-13 3:13 PM

what does gun control have to do with abortion or murder?????

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locomotive

Apr-22-13 3:57 PM

Good question, subman.

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icart68

Apr-22-13 4:40 PM

Republicans love the idea of personal responsibility. If you own a car and your car hits my car, you must be responsible, so you must insure your car to protect me. Republicans have gone to great lengths to impose their idea of morality on women. What about men? If a man can impregnate a woman and leave her with a child, shouldn't the man have liability insurance on his penis? Republicans don't hesitate to interfere with the personal lives of women. Why not treat men the same way? Why not require men to be responsible for the cost of the children they create? Why not fine and jail men who operate a device dangerous to society without proper insurance? Lets hear from Daryrimple, Margarett Sitte, and the fundamentalist on this one. Republicans don't want to pay to educate children, give them milk, or provide them with health care, so why not at least make people responsible for the damage they do to society? Men should be required to have a naked photo ID that proves they have insurance

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icart68

Apr-22-13 4:44 PM

All you repubics throw around the constitution when it comes to the 2nd amendment, I'm only reminding you that abortion is also in the constitution ...Equal rights for ALL!!!

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icart68

Apr-22-13 4:47 PM

hhhmmm...Sounds like someone else agrees with me when I say that our STATE LEGISLATURES shouldn't be messing around with women's health issues, as they ARE NOT DOCTORS!!!

"Now how do Supreme Court Justices possess vast medical knowledge about the practice of abortion, other than what they can garner from hearing expert medical testimony or reading prior case information about the issue?

Perhaps the SCOTUS should've been excluded from this issue, because after all, they were just lawyers, weren't they, and not doctors?"

Thanks loco....I agree with you!!

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subman

Apr-22-13 5:13 PM

icart... show me page number and paragraph to back up your statement....

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locomotive

Apr-22-13 5:19 PM

Like I said, convoluted.

If men shouldn't have one iota of input concerning an act which can lead to pregnancy and/or abortion, then women like icart should abandon the creeps and start an Amazon society somewhere.

"Amazon society was stringently matriarchal. Males were of no use other than for mating purposes and as slaves, doing work that was traditionally performed by women. Mens' outer extremities were often mutilated to prevent them taking up arms against their captors or escaping. Male babies were either given away at birth to neighbouring tribes or killed."

Life would be simpler. A sign should be posted at the society's borders: "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread."

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locomotive

Apr-22-13 5:21 PM

BTW, icart, my post was /sarc/ since you didn't realize.

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icart68

Apr-22-13 7:20 PM

Well, there you go again loco, I agree...We should start by getting rid of all the men, who think that they can make health decisions about our bodies, and who think they are the "experts" on us...Let's start with the men in the ND LEGISLATURE, and don't forget Dalpimple!!!

BTW..I did catch the sarcasim..did you catch mine???

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billldoesntgetit

Apr-22-13 10:48 PM

Notea4me.. Appears to me its the men who favor abortion..

Seems the men don't want to be tasked with paying for their play time..

I say for every abortion the fetus be DNA'd and the man who got the women pregnant be fined and jailed..

Hows that for abortion control.. If that were to happen about 99% of all pregnancies would be carried full term.

Abortion would not be as much fun if the man was identified and fined for his portion of the fetus..

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billldoesntgetit

Apr-22-13 10:50 PM

Abortion is not a womens health issue..

Abortion is the result of sex. That is not a health issue..

Its the stupidity of the men and the womne in todays world.. They live like rotten dirty skunks with no respect for their body and sleep with men who have no respect for them.. Any man that wants his kid killed should die right along with it!! same for the women..

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