Save lives, end abortion

Thanks, angeR. Always enjoy your posts.

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Placental Expanded Cells, PLX. It's a business now, aborted fetal cells are marketed these days.

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funny how these lefties like to label everything nasty right wing when in fact most of it is LEFT WING... but as their great mentor Goebbels used to say if you tell a lie often enough after awhile people believe it... and if you tell a big enough one they'll believe that too.

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"To deems the practice of abortion as healthcare at first seems innocuous and unpresuming, but as the issue is addressed scientifically and then morally, it is actually one person taking the life of another. Period."

Well said Loco. Simple. Concise. The moral truth staring us right in the face, and the haters will never get it.

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cpac, shmepac

So all liberals in their entirety speak for you, billgrr? There are no differences in liberals? You are all in lockstep together?

Give people a little credit for their individual minds.

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To deems the practice of abortion as healthcare at first seems innocuous and unpresuming, but as the issue is addressed scientifically and then morally, it is actually one person taking the life of another. Period.

That's not healthcare. That's deathcare. For the baby. Should we as a society be OK with that? And why?

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"Racism, slavery, fascism, greed, corporatism, pro-war, pro-violence, pro-death, anti-environment, pro-destruction, anti-labor, and anti-women was, is, and always will be right wing ideas, whether it is from the Democratic or Republican party."

Generalities abound in this post. Somehow, progressives have no historical taint. Well, if that's all it takes to make them happy, OK. I hereby absolve all progressives of any culpability in history, period. That was a staples moment: easy.

I am a woman, I am anti-abortion. That would make me a regressive, according to those whom I would have to define as rabidly progressive. Here's where I would say regression is good. For the babies anyway.

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"The KKK Klan was a military force serving the interests of the Democratic party"

Yep, and now the rabidly right wing KKK supports the Republican party. What's your point?

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"If modern-day Dems and libs want to distance themselves from easily proven Democrat party members' history, I guess I don't blame them. "

Of course we do, absolutely! Why would we want to be proud of the Southern right wingers that used to be part of the party?

The Democratic party had some horrible factions in its past. Over time it has dumped its garbage which has now been picked up by the Republican party.

Conversely, the Republican party was at one time a good party. It had some very progressive and liberal members mostly from the north. Over time it has ditched all of its liberals and progressives and is now a hard right wing extremist party.

Racism, slavery, fascism, greed, corporatism, pro-war, pro-violence, pro-death, anti-environment, pro-destruction, anti-labor, and anti-women was, is, and always will be right wing ideas, whether it is from the Democratic or Republican party.

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If modern-day Dems and libs want to distance themselves from easily proven Democrat party members' history, I guess I don't blame them.

It appears that glossing over the historical accounts by a mere statement works well for some. Sure, the modern party "ditched the right wing conservative wing of its party decades ago" because Now is what matters, not Then.

So if that's true, that Now matters more than Then, then Pres. Bush's legacy can't amount to a hill of beans Now. Because if we want to, we are able to ditch him, no matter how the Dems want to attach him to everything the Republicans are doing now, right?

Consider it done. Whoever liked albatrosses anyway?

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nOtEA4ME..You should have paid attention in History class..

The KKK Klan was a military force serving the interests of the Democratic party, the planter class, and all those who desired restoration of white supremacy. Its purposes were political, but political in the broadest sense, for it sought to affect power relations, both public and private, throughout Southern society. It aimed to reverse the interlocking changes sweeping over the South during Reconstruction: to destroy the Republican party's infrastructure, undermine the Reconstruction state, reestablish control of the black labor force, and restore racial subordination in every aspect of Southern life.

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Gotta love Subman and his attempt to distance the right wing conservatives from the KKK. The KKK is and always was a right wing conservative organization. I fully understand trying to be on the opposite side of that outfit, because that right wing conservative group of white trash vermin is the most evil outfit in this country.

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Thanks, Mr. Locomotive, for sharing all the decades and centuries of right wing atrocities in this country, committed under the "Democratic Party" banner. Once again, Democrats ditched the right wing conservative wing of its party decades ago, and we don't want em back.

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cont...

"Unfortunately, as well intended as Lenin's promises might have been, they proved disastrous...there was no extra food. Without private land ownership, farmers began to grow just enough produce for themselves...also no jobs to be had. Without (WWI) to support, factories no longer had vast orders to fill.

"In June 1918, Russia broke out in civil war. It was the Whites (those against the Soviets, which included monarchists, liberals, and other socialists) against the Reds (the Bolshevik regime).

"The Civil War lasted over two years and was bloody, brutal, and cruel. The Reds won but at the expense of millions of people killed.

"The Russian Civil War dramatically changed the fabric of Russia. The moderates were gone.

"(Joseph Stalin, a Bolshevik) subsequently managed to consolidate power following the 1924 death of Vladimir Lenin through expanding the functions of his role, all the while eliminating any opposition."

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"By definition, conservative means to stay the same, progressive and liberal means to move forward, and regressive means to go backwards."

I thought of 2 examples of progressives in history...

French Revolution: the aristocrats wanted life to remain the same, the progressives (Liberty, Equality, Fraternity) were willing to let heads roll in order to change the system.

USSR: Feb. 1917, the czar abdicated, then two groups emerged, the Duma (middle & upperclass) & the Petrograd Soviet (workers & soldiers). The Duma ran the provisional gov't & Lenin returned to Russia. Oct 1917: "after nearly a bloodless coup, the Bolsheviks were the new leaders of Russia. Nearly immediately, Lenin announced that the new regime would end the war, abolish all private land ownership, and would create a system for workers' control of factories."

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7) Alger Hiss Convicted Of Perjury (1950): Hiss, who helped advise FDR at Yalta and was strongly defended by the Left, turned out to be a Soviet spy 8) The Bay of Pigs (1961): After training a Cuban militia to overthrow Castro, Kennedy got cold feet and didn't give the men all the air support they were promised 9) Democrats Deliver South Vietnam To The North (1975): "In 1975, when there were no Americans left in Vietnam, the left wing of the Democratic Party killed the government of South Vietnam, 10) Bill Clinton turns down Osama Bin Laden (1996 Bill Clinton turned down Sudan’s offer to extradite Osama Bin Laden to America in 1996 Had Bill Clinton accepted Sudan's offer, 9/11 would have likely never happened.

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1) The Trail of Tears (1838): The first Democrat President, Andrew Jackson herded Indians into camps, burned and pillaged their homes and forced them to relocate 2) Democrats Cause The Civil War (1860): The pro-slavery faction of the Democrat Party responded to Abraham Lincoln's election by seceding, which led to the Civil War 3) Formation of the KKK (1865): Along with 5 other Confederate veterans, Democrat Nathan Bedford Forrest created the KKK. 4) 300 Black Americans Murdered (1868): "Democrats in Opelousas, Louisiana killed nearly 300 blacks who tried to foil an assault on a Republican newspaper editor." 5) Democrats Successfully Stop Republicans From Making Lynching A Federal Crime (1922): "The U.S. House adopted Rep. Leonidas Dyer’s (R., Mo.) bill making lynching a federal crime. Filibustering Senate Democrats killed the measure." 6) Japanese Internment Camps (1942): Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt issued an executive order 7) Alger Hiss Convicted Of Perjury (

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"...is packed with information about the political culture of the times, and the origin of the Republican party."

Don't need a history lesson. I already know the Republican party didn't even exist until the time shortly before the Civil War (1854). And it was nothing like today's Republican party.

Racism, slavery, anti civil rights, anti worker rights, anti womens rights are all right wing ideas. There is no way to get around it. Liberals have always been against all of those things, and always will be.

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BillGarr. So I'm supposed to supply you with what? Did you just assign me some homework? You might be waiting a while to get that. I hope you don't mind, teach.

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NoTea, If you care to challenge yourself and learn some accurate history regarding Civil War era politics, pick up and read a book called "Jesse James: Last Rebel of the Civil War" by T.J. Stiles. The book, although it revolves primarily around the life of outlaw Jesse James, is packed with information about the political culture of the times, and the origin of the Republican party.

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"So, in trying to follow this statement, the "right wing conservatives" of the American Revolution would have been the Tories, the loyalist Brits?"

I doubt if it would make any sense to try to label anyone on any side of the American Revolution as "liberal" or "conservative", but I would say those who fought against the Brits were "progressive" because they were fighting for change, to move forward. It would seem "conservative" to keep things as they are, or at least that's what the word means.

By definition, conservative means to stay the same, progressive and liberal means to move forward, and regressive means to go backwards. Sometimes it makes sense to stay the same, sometimes it makes sense to move forward, but rarely ever does it make sense to go backward, and I would say today's Republican party is decidedly regressive as opposed to conservative.

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Good work loco. One thing for sure. If we ever have a social awakening in this country regarding abortion, 50 years down the road there will be several of these liberal revisionists taking credit for ending the scourge of abortion. But then it doesn't really matter who gets credit, just as long as we end it.

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I googled the "wrong side of history" phrase and came up with this site:

addictinginfo . org/2012/05/11/conservatives-always-on-the-wrong-side-of-history/

"Yes. It is exhausting to live among whiny children sporting “Made in China” American flag lapel pins, working incessantly to devolve this nation into the antithesis of a free society – simply because they can’t handle the “freedom” they pretend to love.

"So, as the President himself joins the rest of the civilized world and “evolves” to the notion that all people deserve the freedom to build a life and contract with the partner of their choosing, the conservatives dig their heals in deeper, once again on the wrong side of history.

"We all must continue to evolve – without them."

This is REAL warmth & fuzziness - with them.

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"Right wing conservatives have usually been on the wrong side of history whether they were Democrats or Republicans."

So, in trying to follow this statement, the "right wing conservatives" of the American Revolution would have been the Tories, the loyalist Brits?

Or would they have been the Whigs, the Patriots, who won independence from Britain?

I guess all one has to do is remember the mantra...

Progressive = Always Good, Noble & Kind

Conservative = Always Bad, Sinister & Mean

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""The Republican Party was not so badly split as the Democrats by the civil rights issue."

Correct. The northern Democrats were liberals, and the southern Democrats were right wing conservatives.

Personally, I am glad that the Democrats ditched most of their right wing Southern party members.

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