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Child care crisis in N.D.

February 24, 2013

Libby Claerbout, Minot I am thankful to the N.D....

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locomotive

Mar-02-13 1:56 PM

Aww, Jack, I just about choked on my peas. You're changing the game plan now? After all the success of your previous motto?

"Votes For Gifts"

Oh, yeah. That voting thing happened already, didn't it? Uh, sorry. My big bad.

I will concede to your wisest-of-the-wise game change and now gravel at your feet.

Here's a sub-motto for you...FREE

"A good crisis is a shame to waste"

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JackAaah

Mar-02-13 8:58 AM

I feel as long as we can call something a crisis, that we cannot let it go to waste.

We only move forword if we do not let these crisis go to waste.

Crisis For Votes

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EarlyBird

Mar-01-13 1:07 PM

Loco, I agree with you that if the parent that stays home to raise the kids has internet they could take online college courses and be able to get a better job after the 4-5 years it takes to get the kid/s out the door.

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EarlyBird

Mar-01-13 12:43 PM

Hi Snakewoman, the sad thing about the "good ol days" is nobody seems to be able to figure out what caused them to be good. We can never return to a place in time, we can only hope to incorporate into today what was good yesterday.

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locomotive

Mar-01-13 10:40 AM

Not much realism in nostalgia, like "the good old days." Modern choices can be made within the bonds of mutual commitment. It takes WORK by both parents.

To my mind, it's a mistake to think that men of the past got a free pass somehow while the women of the past stayed at home to work. Parental responsibility transcends time.

disgusted's right. Social media, internet shopping, networking, modern-day conveniences can all work to a family's advantage. Isolation is not so much a factor for women who work at home as it was in the old days.

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disgusted

Feb-28-13 11:41 AM

snakewoman, I was not saying they were the good old days. I used a little sarcasm in my voice when I wrote those words. I forget that sarcasm doesn't come across the written airways. People were far more isolated back in the good old days. That has changed with social media, transportation, etc. Change is still needed in the mentality of government owes me and I am entitled to it.

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WorriedAmerican

Feb-28-13 10:33 AM

Yes, Snakewoman the 1950's was great for old lorexxx and all other white males in those days!

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Snakewoman

Feb-28-13 10:11 AM

Ahh, the good old days.....Same trope over and over. The good old days, when women had no choices about their lives....how great that was. Just awesome. Not everyone wants your "traditional" lifestyle. Good for you if you make it work in your marriage, but society has moved on long ago from that model, and, yes, there are problems with that as well, but many people will not live back in those "good old days"

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WorriedAmerican

Feb-28-13 10:02 AM

No letters in the MDN on the dope of who the pope will be? What's up with that? Where is Mr. Moen?

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disgusted

Feb-27-13 8:09 PM

locomotive, in the old days when there was no TV, social media, and it took hours to get anywhere, women were dependent on their husbands and isolated. Today, things can be sole in internet, there is connections to everyone everywhere. But, independence from the government is vital. However, everytime we wtop digging the hole, someone comes with a bigger sharper shovel. Struggle has become a dirty word in this day and age.

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EarlyBird

Feb-27-13 10:02 AM

Love, money and guns will be stuck in the wash and rinse cycles forever.

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locomotive

Feb-27-13 9:16 AM

disgusted, if dependence on state vs. independence from state is what you were getting at, I do understand that. Thanks for clarifying.

However, there are still young women that think staying at home with the kids while husband goes out to work is being too "dependent" and cuts them off from life. Y'know, the old stereotype, barefoot & pregnant in the kitchen.

I happen to think that parenting as a team leads to independence, from the state for sure, and from what society dictates as "normal" financial guidelines et al for raising kids. Creativity can abound in a teamwork circumstance.

Sorry I misunderstood the dep vs. indep thing in the beginning, but I hoped I clarified my take.

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EarlyBird

Feb-27-13 7:56 AM

Personally I don't think there is anything more important than family and family time. I'm such a weirdo!

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disgusted

Feb-26-13 10:50 PM

leftwing, in ND wages are higher across the board than in 2000.Rent is higher, but the mentality the government owes me is at least 50 years old.

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disgusted

Feb-26-13 8:26 PM

oh, locomotive, I guess I best clarigy. Looking at the government for needs which I think of as dependence vs self-reliant such as you and your hubby.

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locomotive

Feb-26-13 8:08 PM

I've heard of the Economides before. I believe their take on cheap is mom at home, working to keep things simpler, cheaper, more economical. But I haven't read their materials yet for myself.

And as far as a dependence vs. independence thing for modern women, my husband and I agreed together that I would stay home with the kids, as I was better suited to it out of us two (personality, capabilities, etc). He's just as dependent upon me as I am upon him, if one wants to discuss that. Without me and the sacrifices I make, it doesn't work. Without him and the sacrifices he makes, it doesn't work. We are a team.

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disgusted

Feb-26-13 7:22 PM

I agree, but my question about having children in this day and age has to do with the greater question of where our country is headed. Staying home for 6-8 years till the kids are in first grade is a sacrifice, true. Obtaining training to get a good job with good pay take time. Not all 4-year degrees quarantee good jobs. The core belief of dependence or independence is really what we are discussing. I just came across a book mentioned in an article on Yahoo. America's Cheapest Family by Scot and Annette Economides. I think I will give it read in my old age. The transcient culture has removed the aunts, uncles, neighbors and grandparents from the family unit. That is a sad loss.

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Snakewoman

Feb-26-13 7:16 PM

About the regulations: anyone can have up to 5 kids in their home without any regulations, and if you don't want to be licensed you don't have to follow any of them anyway. Regulations are not the issue.

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Snakewoman

Feb-26-13 7:02 PM

Well, I see your point about sacrifice. Most people with kids probably sacrifice quite a bit and it can be debated how much is enough sacrifice to count. It ultimately really comes down to if we want to go back to a time when all women stayed home to raise their kids, and never were financially at least somewhat independent from their husbands. Many women had to stay in bad marriages because of this. I certainly don't want to go back to those days, but modern life sure is a challenge. Add to that the fact that most families don't have the help of grandparents anymore either, we really need to decide if it is still worth having kids.

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disgusted

Feb-26-13 2:25 PM

with most people working for fairly low wages, Snakewoman, I can say most people live in a basement without windows. Prove me wrong.

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disgusted

Feb-26-13 2:23 PM

snake woman, who said any one should stay. She chose to leave and took with her, the responsibility of such. What level of income is fair for everyone? How many amenities should the government provide? The grant IS for child care. It allows for higher wages that in turn can not be afforded by parents and further subsidy will need to be provided. The core of the problem is the over reaching regulations that the state demands. Moms don't want to have to go through grueling state regs to have a few kids in their home to care for. I guess some parents demanded those regulations, and now should pay for those increased expenses. It goes back to be careful for what you ask for.

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disgusted

Feb-26-13 2:16 PM

I am all for a flat tax. On that we can agree? I don't believe in child care tax credits, nor do I believe in loopholes for the wealthy.

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Snakewoman

Feb-26-13 12:51 PM

disgusted: sure, there are some single parents who can afford it, but with most people working for fairly low wages, most can not.

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Snakewoman

Feb-26-13 12:50 PM

BTW, this bill is not paying anyone's childcare costs. Before the amendment, it offered grants to providers to help with their staffing crises.

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Snakewoman

Feb-26-13 12:47 PM

Oh, I forgot: single moms should have just stayed with their abusive husbands "for the kids"....

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