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Obama should OK Keystone

February 23, 2013

Perhaps President Barack Obama should worry more about the American people than about radical environmentalists who have bullied him during his first four years, never satisfied with his own......

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centerfield

Mar-02-13 10:12 PM

Obviously, in your case BDGIT, it takes one to know one. Looks like you have been perusing the right wing sites again because there is no way you could put those sentences together. I am sure G. Bush is on your list as one of the more brilliant minds ever to enter the white house... Lots of yucks on your posts anyway

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locomotive

Mar-02-13 1:46 PM

"I...don't mind people working hard and getting money no matter their party affiliation , but when others bash one because of his party affiliation and praise (or remain silent) the other for the same thing ... isn't right or fair."

Agreed 100%, obertc.

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locomotive

Mar-02-13 1:24 PM

According to March 1, 2013 Wall Street Journal article's graphic, the "proposed" pipeline goes through Canada, then kitty-corner across MT, the MT-ND-SD corner, SD, NE, KS, OK, and TX. There is a "constructed" pipeline going straight down from Manitoba, through eastern ND, SD, NE, that would meet up with the "proposed" pipeline at Steele City, KS.

For my previous posting, I didn't read the graphic correctly. Sorry.

online(dot)wsj(dot) com/article/SB10001424127887324662404578334603329736258(dot)html

So those MT Sens? Baucus & Tester - yes

I don't know who "purchased" the PPACA (is there a Big Health?) but that went through on a very partisan vote. At least there's some Democrats along for this ride, centerish. Why not include their campaign contributions as well? You need a broader brush?

And as I said before, ain't politics grand?

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centerfield

Mar-02-13 8:38 AM

"Keystone's proposed pathway is through states of ND, SD, NE, KS, OK, and TX. I just looked up Sens. centerish can look up Reps." Locomotive wrote this?????? Runs through ND???? No wonder your posts lack facts. You don't have many. Lets call this what it is: Big Oil purchased pipeline. Almost $30 million in campaign contributions to Republicans.

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centerfield

Mar-01-13 12:08 PM

If there is capacity for the Bakken oil in those pipelines, why the push for the XL. It does not benefit the US. Could it be strickly for the profit of the oil companies. Oh, and bill does not get it. You don't research oil spills much, do ya. Try researching oil spills with tar sand crude.

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muleskinner

Mar-01-13 8:25 AM

Why not build a pipeline that is located along the BNSF rail line along the old NP route and have it positioned about 500 yards away from the rail line? The BNSF would own the pipeline and could carry Bakken crude only. All others would not be involved. The BNSF hauls Bakken crude now and there are over 50 trains each day through Minot. Seems as though the BNSF is positioned best for their own pipeline to carry Bakken crude exclusively. It'll probably be more jobs that the XL proposal. Maybe even makes more sense.

There are thousands of miles of pipeline in the US and Canada. There are 2 that traverse North Dakota. There is plenty of capacity. Google 'pipelines located in North America' and you'll find out for yourself.

We need another pipeline like Obama needs another round of golf.

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obertc

Feb-28-13 5:00 PM

Thanks locomotive for your research. I just got on and was going to do some ... you saved me time. I, like you, don't mind people working hard and getting money no matter their party affiliation , but when others bash one because of his party affiliation and praise (or remain silent) the other for the same thing ... isn't right or fair.

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locomotive

Feb-28-13 11:53 AM

Worldview, appreciated your post on this issue.

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locomotive

Feb-28-13 11:50 AM

"Nothing makes the wingers angrier than getting kicked off the MDN 12 times then coming back with a name that at least has some honor and credibility hoping it will rub off on a moron."

billgrr, is this leftwingers or rightwingers?

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locomotive

Feb-28-13 11:49 AM

billgrr, I'm not angry at Soros for his extremely well-managed portfolio. That's projection on your part if anything.

What will get me going is the double standard of "do as I say, not as I do" thing that some liberals are very adept at practicing.

So investing in oil is a No-No for Koch brothers and a Yes-Yes for Soros & Buffett?

And just who decided that? Not this un-angry righty. Talk to centerish, the oh-so-informed on all things Koch brothery.

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locomotive

Feb-28-13 11:43 AM

People across the US need jobs. Several unions are in favor of the Keystone project. In spite of environmental scarey tales, oil & gas exploration can be done responsibly. Accidents happen in every industrial venture: agriculture, wind farms, logging, construction, factories, etc. We are not guaranteed 100% safety at all times in anything we do.

Will oil piped through Keystone benefit the US right away? It doesn't look that way, but it seems to me that Keystone would provide the infrastructure necessary for a future less dependent upon middle east oil--it's a circus over there.

These are just my opinions, not the opinions of "experts" real or imagined. Now centerish is welcome to eviscerate away...

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locomotive

Feb-28-13 11:38 AM

"You notice that most of the huge congressional supporters don't have to worry about the pipeline crossing their states."

Keystone's proposed pathway is through states of ND, SD, NE, KS, OK, and TX. I just looked up Sens. centerish can look up Reps.

ND Sens Hoeven & Heitkamp - yes

SD Sen Thune - yes, Sen Johnson - no, but there's talk of his retiring before reelection time in 2014

NE Sens Johanns & Fischer, plus all Reps - yes

KS Sens Moran & Roberts - yes

OK Sens Inhofe & Coburn - yes

TX Sens Cornyn & Cruz - yes

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locomotive

Feb-28-13 10:48 AM

centerfield (a misnomer if ever was one), I went to Forbes 400 list, and Buffett and Soros were on it, of course. And I found that Buffett and Soros both have stock in Walmart, Kraft, DirecTV, DaVita (renal dialysis), and Johnson & Johnson. A little stock trivia there.

Then I found a chart (gurufocus) of Soros' investments, as recent as Dec. '12. (I hope they were telling me the truth.) Included in the large list were several oil-related companies: Anadarko Petroleum, NRG Energy, Halliburton (no!), National Fuel Gas, Scorpio Tankers, Gulfport Energy Corp, Weatherford Int'l, and probably more; 627 webpages of info & I went thru 5-6?

Soros' investments are extremely varied and very successfully chosen/managed. One could say all his eggs are not in one basket.

Veerry interesting, and you're so welcome, centerish.

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centerfield

Feb-28-13 8:26 AM

I suggest world view check the economics of it before looking foolish on the blog. This is a huge price to pay to make a few individuals extremely rich, a foreign company billions of dollars and a lot of Republican congress people with campaign money. Where is the Bakken pipeline to the west coast, to the Midwest, and to the east???? Are you winger bloggers searching for information on the blog...Google Valero and tar sand crude. Interesting articles. Also, there are some interesting reports on the exporting of the tar sand products from these companies internal reports. You guys can run, but you cannot hide.

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centerfield

Feb-28-13 8:08 AM

I am sure that you googled Soros and Tar sand crude or US oil pipelines..Find anything???? More miss direction from the right. Oil economist have flat out stated that the price of gas will rise in the midwest because of the XL line. Why, well, it will run up the price of crude per barrel and guess what? Higher gas prices. You notice that most of the huge congressional supporters don't have to worry about the pipeline crossing their states. It might be a different story if it were crossing their states water sources. As has been stated publically across the country. The Tar sand crude is extremely hard to transport, hard to refine, leaves lots of crappy by-products from the refining process, the pipeline is prone to spills, gas prices in the US will rise in ND, ALL of the products will go overseas, and worst of all, The US gets to transport around 10% of the volume for Bakken crude.

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Worldview

Feb-28-13 1:29 AM

"Obviously, that would have a substantial effect on prices Americans pay for gasoline"

Actually it will have nothing to do with the price of Gasoline. Otherwise Gasoline prices would already below because we are producing millions of barrells more a day for the last several years, and it had "0" effect.

They have thing called a world market and this gas is a finished product which can be sold internationally.

However Keystone should go through and I believe it will as Nebraska has now cleared the way.

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Missy1

Feb-27-13 9:46 PM

Nope Bill Garr. I just have no respect for people like you.

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Missy1

Feb-27-13 9:16 PM

Buffet is also heavily involved with Rail. He wants everyone to pay their fair share. As long as it is not his fair Share.

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Missy1

Feb-27-13 9:08 PM

Nor You, Veritas.

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centerfield

Feb-27-13 6:56 PM

Come on guys, the Kochs are deep in the business and have been for fifty years. But you want Soros involved and not the Koch's. That speaks to your lack of an argument. The Canadians should run it to the coast. We have not even addressed the difficulty in refining the oil, what about having to put a highly flammable additive to the oil just to get it to flow. That should throw up a red flag in it self, but not to you wingers. But, you are also in favor of the rich paying lower tax rates than lots of the hard working people of ND. That also speaks for itself.

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obertc

Feb-27-13 5:05 PM

NAFTA covers any company importing/exporting in North America of certain merchandise, of which crude oil is one.

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obertc

Feb-27-13 5:00 PM

The reason I'll not relate to the Koch issue is simple (and not about my direction). In this instance, the evil Koch brothers (the democrat version of satan) are at the bottom of the problem, and liberal leaning persons raise heck, but when George Soros (the rebulican version of satan) is at the bottom of a problem, the conservative leaning people raise heck. Bottom-line is Canada will get the tar sands crude oil to a coast ... whether it's our Gulf or their western shore. If it's our Gulf, Canada makes out as US interests pay the US portion of the pipeline. If it's to the Canada west coast, Canada pays the entire bill.

My father once told me that politics and religious arguments between friends will make quick enemies. I try to keep politics and religion out of my conversation. Thanks

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locomotive

Feb-27-13 4:38 PM

"A comparison of the Koch brothers interest in tar sand with George Soros is ludicrous at best."

Breathlessly awaiting centerfield's upcoming open research on exactly what George Soros' (probably diverse) holdings are and how he might, just perhaps, be buying a few legislators himself...

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centerfield

Feb-27-13 4:36 PM

Duty free in any language means that the US has a pipeline that is prone to spills stretching across the heart of the country. It crosses rivers and streams and the Ogallala Aquifer among other water sources. The US get no benefit and it will in fact drive up the cost of Gas in ND. Nafta covers a European company called Dutch Shell?

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locomotive

Feb-27-13 4:34 PM

Great posting, obertc. Much appreciated.

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