Obama should OK Keystone

In Washington, a presidential Administration releases news it doesn’t like at 5 p.m. on Fridays. So it pays to pay attention when everyone is leaving work for the weekend. Late last Friday, the State Department released a positive environmental review of the Keystone XL pipeline. President Obama has been delaying this pipeline—which would carry oil from Canada to refineries in Texas—for more than three years. The delay has meant that America is still waiting on an additional 700,000 to 830,000 barrels of oil per day from a close ally, not to mention 179,000 American jobs. Why has this taken so long, when all environmental reports thus far have been positive?????????

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I notice you are not disputing the facts centerfield, just the person who posted the information.

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Obviously, in your case BDGIT, it takes one to know one. Looks like you have been perusing the right wing sites again because there is no way you could put those sentences together. I am sure G. Bush is on your list as one of the more brilliant minds ever to enter the white house... Lots of yucks on your posts anyway

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President Obama, that brilliant Harvard Law School graduate, has long since proven himself to have mastered the art of employing logical fallacies in making his arguments.

For example, he utilizes the False Dilemma, also known as the Golden Mean Fallacy or the Fallacy of Moderation, in virtually every speech he makes, i.e. “There are those…” and “Some would say…”

In the instance of Warren’s Law, he’s using the basic Appeal to Authority.

As Hillary Clinton said, Obama once gave a speech. He’s basically giving variations of the same speech over and over. The angrier he sounds, the less convincing he seems. He’s a one-trick pony and – Make no mistake. Let me be clear – we’ve all seen the trick a few times too many and the novelty has long since worn off.

Obama is a loser.

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More like TKO.

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"I...don't mind people working hard and getting money no matter their party affiliation , but when others bash one because of his party affiliation and praise (or remain silent) the other for the same thing ... isn't right or fair."

Agreed 100%, obertc.

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According to March 1, 2013 Wall Street Journal article's graphic, the "proposed" pipeline goes through Canada, then kitty-corner across MT, the MT-ND-SD corner, SD, NE, KS, OK, and TX. There is a "constructed" pipeline going straight down from Manitoba, through eastern ND, SD, NE, that would meet up with the "proposed" pipeline at Steele City, KS.

For my previous posting, I didn't read the graphic correctly. Sorry.

online(dot)wsj(dot) com/article/SB10001424127887324662404578334603329736258(dot)html

So those MT Sens? Baucus & Tester - yes

I don't know who "purchased" the PPACA (is there a Big Health?) but that went through on a very partisan vote. At least there's some Democrats along for this ride, centerish. Why not include their campaign contributions as well? You need a broader brush?

And as I said before, ain't politics grand?

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"Keystone's proposed pathway is through states of ND, SD, NE, KS, OK, and TX. I just looked up Sens. centerish can look up Reps." Locomotive wrote this?????? Runs through ND???? No wonder your posts lack facts. You don't have many. Lets call this what it is: Big Oil purchased pipeline. Almost $30 million in campaign contributions to Republicans.

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The majority of Americans on drugs agree with Kieth Ellison's positions. Veritas, Kinda like the Congresswomen Rep. Maxine Waters from California claimed that the automatic budget sequester, which becomes effective tonight, will cost America 170 million jobs. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, America currently has fewer than 135 million working people.

there is more of that Democratic stupidity. When you elect people without intelligence you get comments like that!

No wonder our country is going to heck in a hand-basket.

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Good job on your postings centerfield!!

I support the Cornell study that says approx. 2500-4000 temporary jobs will result from the XL Project.

There are just too many negatives to allow this particular project to go forward...Unless of course you say there are 200,000 jobs at stake (which there are not)....Kinda like some Republicans perspective on how many people they put to work when they start a war.

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If there is capacity for the Bakken oil in those pipelines, why the push for the XL. It does not benefit the US. Could it be strickly for the profit of the oil companies. Oh, and bill does not get it. You don't research oil spills much, do ya. Try researching oil spills with tar sand crude.

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Why not build a pipeline that is located along the BNSF rail line along the old NP route and have it positioned about 500 yards away from the rail line? The BNSF would own the pipeline and could carry Bakken crude only. All others would not be involved. The BNSF hauls Bakken crude now and there are over 50 trains each day through Minot. Seems as though the BNSF is positioned best for their own pipeline to carry Bakken crude exclusively. It'll probably be more jobs that the XL proposal. Maybe even makes more sense.

There are thousands of miles of pipeline in the US and Canada. There are 2 that traverse North Dakota. There is plenty of capacity. Google 'pipelines located in North America' and you'll find out for yourself.

We need another pipeline like Obama needs another round of golf.

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Thanks locomotive for your research. I just got on and was going to do some ... you saved me time. I, like you, don't mind people working hard and getting money no matter their party affiliation , but when others bash one because of his party affiliation and praise (or remain silent) the other for the same thing ... isn't right or fair.

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Keith Ellisons votes prove he supports the use of drugs here in this country.

Voted NO on more funding for Mexico to fight drugs. (Jun 2008) End harsher sentencing for crack vs. powder cocaine. (Jun 2007) Allow rehabilitated drug convicts get student loans. (Jan 2008) Expunge records for first drug offenders after probation. (Jul 2011) Exclude industrial hemp from definition of marijuana. (May 2011) Distribute sterile syringes to reduce AIDS and hepatitis. (Jan 2009)

Keith is a huge supporter of drugs in America as his votes show.

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loco, I’ll take your perception of the XL pipeline over my little centerfold any day. Good job. The world of oil and just about anything these days is a market place. Many things factor in the price of gas at any one time and telling Canada to build a Western pipeline over the Rockies is not in their interests I believe. Now with earthquakes there, that would be a environmental catastrophe. One less semi on our roads would be a plus in my book.

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Notice how Keith Ellison the Muslim came to the defense of Obama on the Hannity program?

Seems the boy can't get any TV time like his buddy Obama so he has to be invited to a Conservative talk show to get some air time.

Glad hes not a rep from North Dakota. hes a disgrace to the whole country when he acts like that.

Just one toke over the line before the show????

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Worldview, appreciated your post on this issue.

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A dose of your own medicine doesn't taste good in your mouth?

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"Nothing makes the wingers angrier than getting kicked off the MDN 12 times then coming back with a name that at least has some honor and credibility hoping it will rub off on a moron."

billgrr, is this leftwingers or rightwingers?

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Centerfield could you tell me how many people have died because of oil spills?

How many animals have died because of oil spills?

Then tell me how many people have died because we drive cars every day.

Really when you look at these arguments and compare them to things that happen everyday they are pretty stupid arguments.

The Government has led you to believe that the environment is contaminated and therefore our cows should not expel gas, we should not breathe in or out and that oil spills are the end of the world and we will all die because of them.

REALLY?

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billgrr, I'm not angry at Soros for his extremely well-managed portfolio. That's projection on your part if anything.

What will get me going is the double standard of "do as I say, not as I do" thing that some liberals are very adept at practicing.

So investing in oil is a No-No for Koch brothers and a Yes-Yes for Soros & Buffett?

And just who decided that? Not this un-angry righty. Talk to centerish, the oh-so-informed on all things Koch brothery.

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People across the US need jobs. Several unions are in favor of the Keystone project. In spite of environmental scarey tales, oil & gas exploration can be done responsibly. Accidents happen in every industrial venture: agriculture, wind farms, logging, construction, factories, etc. We are not guaranteed 100% safety at all times in anything we do.

Will oil piped through Keystone benefit the US right away? It doesn't look that way, but it seems to me that Keystone would provide the infrastructure necessary for a future less dependent upon middle east oil--it's a circus over there.

These are just my opinions, not the opinions of "experts" real or imagined. Now centerish is welcome to eviscerate away...

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"You notice that most of the huge congressional supporters don't have to worry about the pipeline crossing their states."

Keystone's proposed pathway is through states of ND, SD, NE, KS, OK, and TX. I just looked up Sens. centerish can look up Reps.

ND Sens Hoeven & Heitkamp - yes

SD Sen Thune - yes, Sen Johnson - no, but there's talk of his retiring before reelection time in 2014

NE Sens Johanns & Fischer, plus all Reps - yes

KS Sens Moran & Roberts - yes

OK Sens Inhofe & Coburn - yes

TX Sens Cornyn & Cruz - yes

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Nothing makes the left-wingers angrier than finding a liberal practicing capitalism.

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centerfield (a misnomer if ever was one), I went to Forbes 400 list, and Buffett and Soros were on it, of course. And I found that Buffett and Soros both have stock in Walmart, Kraft, DirecTV, DaVita (renal dialysis), and Johnson & Johnson. A little stock trivia there.

Then I found a chart (gurufocus) of Soros' investments, as recent as Dec. '12. (I hope they were telling me the truth.) Included in the large list were several oil-related companies: Anadarko Petroleum, NRG Energy, Halliburton (no!), National Fuel Gas, Scorpio Tankers, Gulfport Energy Corp, Weatherford Int'l, and probably more; 627 webpages of info & I went thru 5-6?

Soros' investments are extremely varied and very successfully chosen/managed. One could say all his eggs are not in one basket.

Veerry interesting, and you're so welcome, centerish.

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