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Questions about drones

February 12, 2013

Penning hard-core terrorists up at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba was a bad idea, President Barack Obama has said....

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ProgressiveLiberal

Feb-12-13 1:25 AM

Kill them, kill them all.

My mom used to say, “you hang out with hooligans, you pay the price”, or something like that. Consorting with the enemy makes you an enemy of the state. Kill them and good riddance.

We should have invaded Pakistan and wiped out Al-quada and the Taliban when we had the chance. We lost the war in Afghanistan because we didn’t, just like we lost the war in South Vietnam by not invading North Vietnam.

Water boarding never helped at all. Now placing your finger tips on their bare corneas, the most sensitive organ in the human body might work better and definitely a lot faster.

Funny how Fox/MDN is against any and everything thing Democrat.

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muleskinner

Feb-12-13 9:27 AM

A president's gotta do what a president's gotta do. He's an American too, ya know. So, why not? Why not have drones that can kill and why not have somebody making the decision of who gets killed? Somebody's gotta do it, might as well be a president, and might as well be Obama.

If it happens to be innocents or American citizens, well, it's just collateral damage. That's the way the cookie crumbles. That's how the game gets played. A great technology put to good use.

Might not be fair to those who die, but who cares anymore? As long as it is moral, ethical, justified, and legal (yeah right, famous last words), we can do it.

A very slippery slope. Fools go where angels fear to tread.

You need to add 'warmongering' preceding 'progressiveliberal' to your name, progessiveliberal.

warmongeringprogressiveliberal

Very Orwellian.

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WorriedAmerican

Feb-12-13 9:28 AM

How many dictators did we prop up or assasinate over our past countries past history? How many covert black ops went on that the American people still do not know about? The American people are lied to every day by every President in power and even the Presidents have been lied to by people in power! The United States Of America does have blood on its hands and other countries of the world do not like us for those reasons. Those are the facts.

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KneeAwn

Feb-12-13 9:57 AM

If this is called "War" on terror then nothing wrong was done. War is war.....

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WorriedAmerican

Feb-12-13 10:10 AM

muleskinner your attitude has changed since Bush left office! What happened to "Wanted Dead or Alive!"? and "War on Terror!" "They will all be hearing from all us soon!" If you are out there planning attacks against America you are no longer an American you are a traitor and a target!

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locomotive

Feb-12-13 11:08 AM

There does seem be a bit of a disconnect between the treatment of prisoners at Gitmo (worries about their "rights" or maltreatment by waterboarding) and unmonitored (?) drone killings. Where's the due process that was supposed to have happened for those accused of terrorist activity? BTW, I'm not that much in favor of "due process" for foreigners that attack our country. But American citizens should be afforded due process, right? Or is it because a Democrat is in the WH that we can dispense with those formalities and warmonger as we please?

To quote ProgLib: "Kill them, kill them all."

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ProgressiveLiberal

Feb-12-13 8:40 PM

Democrat warmongering, give me a break. How did that Bush/ Cheney nation building work out for you? Obama did it the right way in Libya, take out Kaddafee’s weapons of mass destruction and let the people settle it amongst themselves. Israel will soon do the same with our help in Syria.

The reason the terrorists at Guantanamo can’t receive due process is because since they where tortured, every judge in America would throw out their case. The only good terrorist is a dead one, American bred or not.

So how come Fox/MDN won’t let us comment on the ND State Christian Taliban enactment of Sharia Law with their violation for a woman’s US constitutional right to an abortion? What a pile of %&*# rag newspaper.

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TheDiogenist

Feb-12-13 9:34 PM

The reason for this 'bipartisan concern' is a simple one: for Democrats who genuinely opposed Guantanamo, renditions, and enhanced interrogation, Al-Awlaki's extrajudicial killing and the expanded use of drone strikes by this administration in general come as a bit of a betrayal of principles; and for Republicans, the most pervasive sentiment seems to be that if Obama does anything, it's wrong. (Which in my opinion cheapens legitimate instances of righteous indignation.)

What's worse (or so it might seem, were this not an issue of human rights and rule of law) is that it gives partisans particularly devoid of integrity an undue sense of vindication regarding crimes perpetrated during the 'War on Terror'. Different reasons, different concerns, shared focus.

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ProgressiveLiberal

Feb-13-13 1:10 AM

TheDiogenist; "The reason for this 'bipartisan concern' is a simple one:"

War is hell. Kill them or they kill you. As someone posted on the internet, How do you feel about us bombing Dresden, Hiroshima, or Nagasaki?

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ProgressiveLiberal

Feb-13-13 1:19 AM

muleskinner; "If it happens to be innocents or American citizens, well..."

muleskinner, those Americans weren't some tourists on vacation. They were enemy terrorists. What's your point?

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ProgressiveLiberal

Feb-13-13 1:40 AM

I never thought that I would live to see the day when the words "Republican" and "Dove" were used in the same sentence. Wow!

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ProgressiveLiberal

Feb-13-13 1:47 AM

We lost the Vietnam War. How do you Vietnam Vets and Republicans feel about that? 50 thousand dead drafted young kids. That war was planned and fought to lose. So was Afghanistan. Iraq about the same. We should have nuked China in Korea.

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TheDiogenist

Feb-13-13 3:11 AM

"ProgressiveLiberal": Concerning Dresden, Nagasaki, and Hiroshima, I feel the same way whenever civilian populations are specifically targeted by the military: disgusted and saddened. Much like reading your posts. You may be liberal with the way you sling that empty verbal hatred (all shock value and awe, yeah?), but you haven't a progressive bone in your body. I'd hate to think anybody would be fooled by the pseudonym; bit of a misnomer, that.

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EarlyBird

Feb-13-13 8:21 AM

The USA Soldiers have never lost a war, it just seems periodically some country needs to see if our young people are still willing to defend and die for our lands and way of life. Our young people in the Military is the only thing that brings respect to our country. It's just a show but try to watch from "Lions for Lambs". It has the only explanation of why we are fighting terrorism that makes any sense.

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EarlyBird

Feb-13-13 9:42 AM

We rally are war mongers aren't we? We will wage war on everything including our own imaginations!

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WorriedAmerican

Feb-13-13 10:06 AM

lorexxx you're still free to spread your sycho-babble still.

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OldCat

Feb-13-13 1:22 PM

Pentagon likes the drones --spent from 248 million back in 2000 to 4 BILLION in 2012--from 200 drones to 7300. Moat are Army -Ravens--according to article from MDN. Don't think we plan on not using them. Intell most important for use--probably should have been used against the WMD is Iraq.

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centerfield

Feb-13-13 4:06 PM

Just a quick question; Do any of you know how many civilians{innocent} were killed by "shock and awe"? Kinda goes with the question of drones, don't ya think?

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ProgressiveLiberal

Feb-14-13 12:15 AM

TheDiogenist

War is HELL, how many of your kids do you want to lose? If a nuke ends it sooner, than I want it and am willing to be the person to push the button. there is now such thing as a clean war.

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ProgressiveLiberal

Feb-14-13 12:45 AM

USA Soldiers have never lost a war, it just seems periodically some country needs to see if our young people are still willing to defend and die for our lands and way of life. Our young people in the Military is the only thing that brings respect to our country. It's just a show but try to watch from "Lions for Lambs". It has the only explanation of why we are fighting terrorism that makes any sense.

Are you insane? Sending our kids out to die just to see if Democracy is worth it? One small tactical nuck would only kill 10,000 or so top regime officials. Or just put on a show and kill 3000 of our kids to kill 100,000 of theirs. There is nothing prideful about war, kill them or they kill you. We did lose the last 4 wars because nothing better happened after them. I was one year too young to be drafted 17A. I was perfecting my Canadian language skills (“A“) because we kids in the 70’s knew that the Vietnam war was a joke.

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Russ98387

Feb-14-13 1:19 AM

Jon Stewart of "The Daily Show" addresses a leaked government document that details the legal argument supporting the president's use of drones to kill eventual Al Qaeda suspects. "We don't mind you knowing about*****that we do, once we don't do it anymore. We're happy to share irrelevant information with the public. We told you we were going to be transparent, we just didn't tell you it was going to be about the last guy's secrets," Stewart said in a tone that mocked the Obama White House.

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EarlyBird

Feb-14-13 7:37 AM

Yea PL I am insane, any other personal attacks you need to throw out there.

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EarlyBird

Feb-14-13 7:39 AM

PL have you watched that show I mentioned? It's really good.

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locomotive

Feb-14-13 5:46 PM

EarlyBird, didn't you know that personal slams are necessary as progressives deal with ideas not their own?

Modus operandi...

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SickOfItAll

Feb-15-13 10:10 AM

This argument has been misdirected, inteionally or otherwise. True or False: The US can legally target enemy combatants? Yes, we can. In accordance with bot the Geneva Conventions and the Law of armed conflict. The citizenship of the combantant is irrelevant. There were US citizens who fought on the side of both Japan and Germany during WWII. To imply that US citizens fighting on behalf of a foreign power enjoy certain rights not enjoyed by non-citizens would be incorrect. And if it were true, it would represent a very dangerous precedent, Because it would allow enemy combatants carrying US citizenship to operate with impunity overseas.

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