How much tax is enough?

"[The] debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts." David Stockman

George W. Bush Doubled the National Debt Following in Reagan's footsteps, George W. Bush buried the myth of Republican fiscal discipline.

Reagan Raised Debt Ceiling 17 Times, Bush Seven

As McClatchy showed, Republicans are as bad at genetics and history as they are at economics:

You have a right to be upset over high taxes Ron....Just be sure you're poking the RIGHT eyes out though.

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Phil needs to fire his tax accounting firm and hire Mitt Romney's!

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It always comes down to envy and resentment. The suggestion from some here is that more people are going to get something for nothing and someone else is going to have to pay for it. Contrary to the assertion, those cars on the "free-rider" train are going to be filled with people finally paying for their health insurance. (Can we assume that the ACA is the main complaint of the writer?) The irony is that the real "free-riders" are those that refuse to pay for HI, but use the system when they need it.( the town hall screamers, the freedom loving teapartiers et al) Usually someone who already has a sugar daddy like an employer or branch of govt. carrying their load. Using the train analogy again; pay the fare get on the train, it ain't a free ride.

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BillyG, not to defend Ron....because I support our Democrat Party causes to move forword(and mainly for the gifts), but could it be because you and PJ and others of our team feel Ron is posting under various names? And therefore it may be your "facts" that are wrong, because your hypothesis that Dust is back with new aliases, is wrong? just asking.....

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Since revenues are about 1.9 trillion and the budget is 3.8 trillion, revenue from taxes is not enough, so they really do need to increase taxes to meet the amount spent or decrease spending, which can't be done because nobody wants to quit spending and they're not going to.

So, taxes should really double to spend the 3.8 trillion. That would then be enough until spending increases again because of continued debt load and increasing deficits once again.

If you are paying 52 percent in taxes, then if they are doubled, it would be 104 percent of your income. You'll have to borrow money to pay your taxes and all of your income would go to pay taxes. Absurd as it is, it would make sense to the gov.

All federal employees could get raises again.

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So the Democrat Party has never been fiscally irresponsible? Ever?

I agree that most Republicans have drunk the DC water and abandoned most of their principles when it comes to legislating in a fiscally responsible fashion. It does seem that now the R party is on a spendaholic par with the D party. At last, right?

It's also true that the D party has been adept in blaming only the R party for this spendaholic behavior. As such, that automatically makes the D party the fiscally responsible ones somehow, i.e., BG's claim We Pay Our Bills?

Let's try saying this just once: NOBODY has been paying the bills in DC. For years. And who cares?

That question "how much tax is enough" can be answered with a J.D. Rockefeller quote, "just a little bit more."

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PJ? I'd have expected you to notice BG's use of the word "bring, brang, brung" but since you're busy...

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Billy...I remember our Democrat Party voting to exclude God from our forward looking party.....but I just don't recall our Party voting on my joining....and seems to me we ARE the big-time party. Where all are welcome....especially to get gifts for votes.....

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Good on ya, BG.

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BillyG, I KNOW we in the trenches voted to exclude the magic sky wizard, but those at the top, that should be the forword-lookers, voted to INCLUDE the wizard in the party, disregarding the wishes of us in the trenches. With that inclusion, just how CAN we move forword?

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according to the Associated Press: Under the new Affordable Care Act, North Dakota’s Medicaid program which now covers about 65,000 people a month; the state Department of Human Services estimates the proposed expansion would add another 30,000 people. North Dakota officials are now considering the expansion.

So much for rajiihammer's thinking~"Contrary to the assertion, those cars on the "free-rider" train are going to be filled with people finally paying for their health insurance."

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So Ron, you know how to use that computer for anything other than typing angry letters to the editor? If you go to this site: *****://****ftb.ca.gov/forms/2012_California_Tax_Rates_and_Exemptions.shtml and look halfway down the page, under "Individual Tax Rates" you will find this bit of data: "The maximum rate for individuals is 12.3%" Both you and Phil Mickelson maybe should have looked that up before going off on your rants,

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As I said 'it always comes down to envy' .. disgusted, Is there some justification in your mind to deny health care to people who have no earthly way to afford health ins.? These are Medicaid recipients, poor people, for you_--- 47%'ers--- yeah, complete slackers. I'd bet there will be more people finally paying their way than will have care payed for by a resentful taxpayer.

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lor, it happened this last election....that being the reason I'm moving forword with the other side. I feel I'm ahead of the curve, and you are right......eventually all will join the Votes For Gifts crowd, leaving the working ranks behind.

Work is SO much work....

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raj, you speak from both sides of your mouth. You write, "those cars on the "free-rider" train are going to be filled with people finally paying for their health insurance." and then you write, " Is there some justification in your mind to deny health care to people who have no earthly way to afford health ins.? "

I was simply pointing out that everyone is NOT paying for their own insurance, nor will they ever. And the number of those not paying for their insurance is INCREASING, not decreasing.

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BillyG's """JackAaah, as I said before...You won't like the Democratic party....WE PAY OUR BILLS..... """

Much to your and my chagrin, there were lots of our President Omama nominees, when he was first elected, that did NOT pay their tax bills....

But I am so happy and forword looking, so appreciative that you DO pay your bills.....so that I can get my gifts...for votes.

I do so love the Democrat Party...

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BG, you're out of line. Again.

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you'll have to forgive Billy.....we do tend to get emotional at times....and more often than not.

Please just let me and Billy try to move forword.

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BG, the comment I originally referenced as "out of line" was bumped and had to do with the President's daughters in the White House. Remember?

President Obama was duly elected. He and his family are residents of the White House, because that's where the US President lives.

No more. No less. Or else what I said before was true + two more words.

BillGarrGetsThingsRiledUpOnPurpose

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And your other *wonderful* comment BG?

Anatomically impossible in the first place...

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Phil shouldn't be worrying about his taxes,He should be working on his golf game,Finished tied for 51st in his last match.39 percent on income tax and about 12 on state tax.52percent sounds about right to me,What you boys come up with.

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BG...If ever a description could be so fitted for someone like lorexxx it surely would be pusillanimous.

locomotive Jan 25-13-4:08 PM

"I think "Hate" is the most over-used theme of lorexxx's postings."

Amen loco!!

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How much tax is enough? Obviously varies with the needs of our Government. Got War, Got Drought, natural disaster, financial crisis etc.

Taxes are in a huge way over complicated. City, County, state, federal, sales etc. should be reduced to two. Federal, and State. Or how about sales and investment profits only tax. VAT divided by State and Federal. One collection with a percentage to each.

We need a new system and less complicated is the best way to stay transparent. Complicated serves individual or corporate schemers who battle with lawyers, lobbyists and lots of money.

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loco....I think hate is the most over-used tactic used in America today....Can we all come together and agree on that?

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WA - the simplification of the tax system will never be allowed by our Democrat Party, and I feel you know that. It will not happen because there will be no gifts....for votes.

We all can come together to agree on that...

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