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Limiting Obama's power

January 19, 2013

No one aware of President Barack Obama’s rhetoric and his background should doubt that if he thought he could get away with it, he would use executive orders to limit or ban private ownership of......

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muleskinner

Jan-19-13 7:31 AM

The Constitution is just a piece of paper. It is not followed to the original intent, so it really is null and void and the US gov, in its present incarnation, is completely unconstitutional.

The Constitution is dead.

Obama need not abide by it, nobody else does.

Go read it and see what it says and then ask yourself if it is followed or not.

You will find out that contents of the Constitution no longer apply.

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JackAaah

Jan-19-13 8:05 AM

I feel those Republicans must come to terms that the Constitution is a living and breathing document, with it meaning changing "for the times". How else can we move forword if we don't give Omama ALL the power he needs in order to move the country forword, and more importantly, to move our Democrat Party forword.

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WorriedAmerican

Jan-19-13 11:10 AM

Relax all you gun nuts. The NRA the most powerful gun lobby in the land controls these politicans not the constitution nor the President of the United States! We will go through the news media and the song and dance and soon it will be swept under the rug and not to be heard from again until another mass murder or two or three or until the people finally wake up realize they are being dooped by the money making gun manufacturers of this country! Everytime a mass shooting and the mention of gun control laws gun sales go up! And gun prices double or triple! Who benefits??? The murder childrens' families? No!! Society? NO! Are we safer? No!!!

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muleskinner

Jan-19-13 11:45 AM

Is there an ad hominem in there?

I'm not a big gun nut. I just say what will happen. There will be a black market. Just tellin' it like it is.

Mexican drug cartels are the real gun nuts and the numbers of victims are the proof in the pudding. No matter what is done to prevent them from obtaining arms, they still can and do.

I doubt if the Mexican drug cartels subscribe to NRA magazine, nor will they register their arms purchases.

Obama's power is meaningless in Mexico.

Gun control is useless and dangerous.

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rajiihammr

Jan-19-13 12:39 PM

Pres. Obama has stated again and again that he respects the right of individuals to own and possess guns. I don't know how the assertion in the first paragraph of the opinion piece can be made. It was very good to see the piece agree with some of the executive order initiatives which are, as stated, well with in the executive branch authority. ie. NOT impeachable offences.

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WorriedAmerican

Jan-19-13 1:02 PM

muleskinner all of these mass killings have been caused from weapons purchased legally in the United States by supposedly responsible gun owners! Don't you think there is a problem developing in this country? Putting more weapons out there is not the answer if the legal gun owners cannot control their weapons from getting into the wrong hands!

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Hope4Change

Jan-19-13 1:05 PM

And these were Americans too... December 29, 2012 marked the 122nd Anniversary of the murder of 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota. These 297 people, in their winter camp, were murdered by federal agents and members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection”. The slaughter began AFTER the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. When the final round had flown, of the 297 dead or dying, two thirds (200) were women and children.

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WorriedAmerican

Jan-19-13 1:32 PM

***********jhsph.edu/research/centers-and-institutes/johns-hopkins-center-for-gun-policy-a... Surveys of gun owners suggest that approximately 500,000 guns are stolen each year from private ... Many of the individuals who sell guns to criminals also sell stolen goods. ... Special Report from the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics, US.

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Hope4Change

Jan-19-13 1:55 PM

And they are FELONS so that's why the Second Amendment 'shall not be infringed on', so your argument is so fragmented and shows your stupidy. Read it again and you will see.

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WorriedAmerican

Jan-19-13 2:06 PM

h4c your facts are wrong on wounded knee! The American government didn't like the natives dances. They out-lawed the sun dance. The natives kept on dancing but started the ghost dance this was viewed as breaking the treaty causing the Battle at Wounded Knee.

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WorriedAmerican

Jan-19-13 2:08 PM

h4c IS IT NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE GUN OWNERS AT ALL TIMES TO SECURE THE WEAPONS AND AMMUNITION THEY PURCHASE AT ALL TIMES TO PREVENT THEM FROM GETTING INTO THE WRONG HANDS IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

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WorriedAmerican

Jan-19-13 2:13 PM

I have saw several times in small towns through out ND during deer season you could steal a high powered rifle out of gun rack in a pickup truck parked on a small town on main street! That is how irresponsible these gun owners are!

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Hope4Change

Jan-19-13 2:21 PM

Wounded Knee was among the first federally backed gun confiscation attempts in United States history. It ended in the senseless murder of 297 people. Wounded Knee is the prime example of why the Second Amendment exists, and why we shouldn’t be in such a hurry to surrender our Right to Bear Arms. Without the Second Amendment we have no right to defend ourselves and our families.

Suzy Gratia-Hupp had it correct when she told Senator Charles Schumer, “The 2nd Amendment ISN’T about duck hunting. It’s about all of us being able to defend ourselves against all of you.”

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WorriedAmerican

Jan-19-13 2:42 PM

h4C Wounded knee was not at all about guns it was about breaking a treaty! As lame as it was! Your argument is so weak and pathetic as your party affiliation! And as usual you never did answer the question. Do you believe that gun owners should be responsible at all times for their weapons and ammunition from getting into the wrong hands? If they are found negligent should they be prosecuted as accessories to the crimes that these people commit?

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VERITAS

Jan-19-13 3:09 PM

By the mere fact we are debating is proof that the Constitution is alive and well muleskinner. Capitalizing on Americans general ignorance of history...The media becomes the vehicle for anti-govt. lobbyist propoganda at it's convenience by ommision. 2nd Amendment was modelled after the English Bill of Rights and in particular "Right to bear arms" after the King of England tried to forbid Protestants from owning guns.... Kinda like Obama's EO forbidding Tea Party members the same...Isn't going to happen but considering the 25 petitions submitted to the Whitehouse you'ld think it had.

Lastly, the 2nd Amendment was debated much both before and after it's inception and will undoubtedly go to SCOTUS for an opinion on the meaning below..

"Second Amendment did not apply to individuals; rather, it recognized the right of a state to arm its militia."

Key word is militia folks...refer to definition of militia in 1791.

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disgusted

Jan-19-13 3:28 PM

According to Gallup, 58% of Americans approved of the job Obama was doing. Survey results released today by Gallup, though, show Obama’s approval rating has plummeted to just 49%.

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WorriedAmerican

Jan-19-13 3:33 PM

So the conscenses is, if you own a gun you don't have to take any responsibility for it? That makes as much sense as all of the other lame arguments I've read on here!

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WorriedAmerican

Jan-19-13 3:34 PM

disgusted what does the survey say about Congress??

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WorriedAmerican

Jan-19-13 3:42 PM

There is a problem out there we have millions of weapons out there being purchased everyday moving around and no way of knowing who or what type of individuals have them! Oh darn I moved out of my apartment and left my AR-15 in the closet! Gee, I hope nobody finds it!

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WorriedAmerican

Jan-19-13 3:53 PM

What we should have is like an all states required annual gun registery like automobiles. Listing the serial numbers makes & models & owners to keep track of these weapons each and every year. Annual registration fee per gun per year to be put towards fighting gun violence in this country.

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Hope4Change

Jan-19-13 5:02 PM

Let's see if left wing nuts like jaybird and worried would post a sign on their premises saying it is a gun free house or zone. Please do as it will be headlines tomorrow.

Give your friend the felons first hand notice of what pansy's you really are.

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Hope4Change

Jan-19-13 6:37 PM

Over 30 million Law abiding Gun Owners in America, have killed no one. Why do you blame the crimes of the criminals and unlawful gun owners, on the one who never commit the Crimes? You can save a lot of time and money if you target those criminals who illegally possess fire Arms, and leave the rest of us alone!

We did not commit the Crime and we will not surrender our personal fire Arms while a bunch of traitors in Government are arming themselves to the teeth against us!

So stick your treasonous, infringements, Oath of Office breaking, sedition, Invasion of our inalienable Rights, and rebellion against our Constitution and the American People. Our god-given Rights are not mere government privileges granted by the State. And we will defend our lives, liberty, and property from government tyranny. If you don't like it here, leave now and avoid the rush!

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locomotive

Jan-19-13 7:06 PM

And the gun-control folks are... always trying to control someone.

Common sense should prevail, but with some postings on here, I wonder.

H4C's point is excellent: the crimes are committed by Criminals, not Law-Abiding Gun-Owning Citizens.

In a perfect world, nobody gets shot, by accident or on purpose. But we already know we don't live in a perfect world.

To depend upon a government (made up of imperfect people, with imperfect moods, motivations, ways or means, likes or dislikes) to Always Do The Right Thing for its citizens is near-sighted. It's a viewpoint not rooted in history or reality.

King George was only human too. The Bill of Rights were enacted to protect our new country from the excesses of the old. They'd just fought a war to be free from them!

The discussion needs to move from 2nd Amendment to the mentally ill in our society. It's a more fitting and timely subject, especially after the tragedy in CT.

Any ideas from the progressives?

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leftwing

Jan-20-13 9:38 AM

82 percent of the people support The Presidents so called rhetoric on background checks on all people purhasing firearms.Banning the sale of automatic weapons and decreasing the number and type of bullets DOES NOT INFRIDGE ON PEOPLES 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS.Anyone who thinks just becouse they fired a gun to thwart gas thieves aint playing with a full deck.LOCKS keep honest people honest.It's no wonder why congress cant get anything accomplised with the likes of lobbyist of the NRA.

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disgusted

Jan-20-13 11:45 AM

Jaybird, felons have guns, just not legally!

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